Aaron Dobson

Deus Irae said:

There's not a bias issue here. There's a "You don't know what the hell you're talking about" issue here, and it's on you. The moment you posted:

"Then, after watching a frame by frame of them going to the ground, I find it completely unreasonable to expect Dobson to make the catch."

you made that as clear as day.

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Again, the ball was put right in Tillman's face and he made the easy play of knocking it loose. Dobson tried to secure it while falling on his back and Tillman was in better position. This is what happened. Soo unless Dobson is expected to throw Tillman out of the way as if he were a small child rather than a proven NFL db then he did nothing wrong. You literally don't have an argument

mikey m said:

Again, the ball was put right in Tillman's face and he made the easy play of knocking it loose. Dobson tried to secure it while falling on his back and Tillman was in better position. This is what happened. Soo unless Dobson is expected to throw Tillman out of the way as if he were a small child rather than a proven NFL db then he did nothing wrong. You literally don't have an argument

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I have an argument, and it's been backed up by multiple players and analysts. Your argument is insane. So, again, take it up with Zolak, Chatham and Fauria. I'm not arguing with crazy people this weekend.

Deus Irae said:

I have an argument, and it's been backed up by multiple players and analysts. Your argument is insane. So, again, take it up with Zolak, Chatham and Fauria. I'm not arguing with crazy people this weekend.

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Someone would get into a hell of a lot less arguments if they weren't so insulting in how they respond to people they disagree with.

Deus Irae said:

I have an argument, and it's been backed up by multiple players and analysts. Your argument is insane. So, again, take it up with Zolak, Chatham and Fauria. I'm not arguing with crazy people this weekend.

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Ok, that's fine with me. At least the record shows you failed to discuss a single aspect of the play in question and resorted to **** like "But Dobson is bigger!" or "Ask someone else who said during the game that Dobson needs to catch that ball." Good talk.

Deus Irae said:

That first pick was all on Dobson.

100%

If he can't make that play, he doesn't belong in the league.

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It's not 100% on Dobson, he beat Tillman ran the route well, Brady read that h had got open, passed him the ball, hit him in both hands, juggled and had it taken away. the part thats not on him is Brady's throw, Tom could have thrown it 2 yards further inside hit Dobson in stride and likely have a TD.

It still hit him in both hands he should have made that catch just like WW should have in Superbowl 46.

I put 90% on Dobson here.

Dobson is SOFT. Todd Pinkston 2.0

He goes to the ground every time he touches the ball. So unnecessary. He doesn't fight for the ball.


If the league didnt crack down on helmet to helmet hits, this would be Dobson…

Batman said:

It's not 100% on Dobson, he beat Tillman ran the route well, Brady read that h had got open, passed him the ball, hit him in both hands, juggled and had it taken away. the part thats not on him is Brady's throw, Tom could have thrown it 2 yards further inside hit Dobson in stride and likely have a TD.

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That's the thing about good WR's though. They don't need a perfect pass to make a catch.

MrNathanDrake said:

Dobson is SOFT. Todd Pinkston 2.0

He goes to the ground every time he touches the ball. So unnecessary. He doesn't fight for the ball.


If the league didnt crack down on helmet to helmet hits, this would be Dobson…

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Dude is made of glass

If Dobson didn't bobble the catch, then he'd bring it down. Also, wasn't great placement by Brady.

From the Carolina game, it was encouraging to see Dobson getting open on a number of different routes, but it is still dispointing see him not consistently catching the ball. I am not sure he will ever become a good wide receiver. I said the same thing about Lafell last year, he turned out to be ok.

IMO Dobson is inconsistent and that will be his downfall. You can't have someone make the big play.....then drop the ball on the next. I would rather have a non-flashy reliable Gibson (when healthy) or Harper then an unreliable Dobson. IMO if he is in for a significant number of plays the last pre-season game....then it's possible BB is showcasing him to other teams. It's JMO.

Watch Dobson have a breakout season this year and shut a lot of people up like Collins last year.

I am not giving up on him. In every play I saw, he had good separation and he did not drop any ball if i recall.Also, he might be the only "Burner" WR on the roster since Tyms is gone (And was also kinda bad), so to have Gibson and/or Harper (PS candidate), whom bring something that LaFell or Edelman already do, is unproductive.

I don't blame him too, too much on the second pick (Brady made a horrible read). On the first pick, which i have rewatched a few times, he could have had the catch. But, if he had, it would be an incredible one, since Tillman was in a much better place, "arm-wise", when both of then were on the ground. Still, Dobson made a good adjustment to catch that ball a little behind his body. The biggest problem that i saw is that he didn't get a good grip the moment he ball touched him. To be honest, i liked him in this game. He is a very good 4th WR and could still develop into something better.

Due to the negativity in this thread, and also because my first name is also Aaron, I am now adopting Dobson as my guy, and will root for him through and through. I will also take credit for this when he becomes amazing, or be shamed when he washes out. It's Contrarian Time!

Zuma said:

Harper then an unreliable Dobson

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rexxar said:

If Dobson didn't bobble the catch, then he'd bring it down. Also, wasn't great placement by Brady.

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Confidence is a fickle thing. Dobson comes down with that catch, and we are all talking about how good a night Dobson had. Right now, Dobson has all the things you need to be a great receiver in the NFL except one thing, confidence.

Reminds me of Terrell Owen's confidence early in his career. Don't know if you guys remember that famous TD catch vs Green Bay to win a playoff game. He had dropped 3 passes in the game, his confidence was in the ****ter. Made a great catch on the last play of the game to win that playoff game, and T.O. was born, huge confidence after that catch. Not saying Dobson will even be 1/3 the player Owens was, just saying he needs to feel good about himself, needs that confidence, that swagger. Some guys get it immediately (Gronk as a rookie), others it takes a while, some never get that confidence.

Here's that Owens play.

It is painful to admit since I've been a supporter of Dobson, but I came away with an impression closer to Deus on this one. Tillman would have had no chance on that ball if Dobson pulled it in cleanly. Not a great throw, but it wouldn't have taken an otherworldly catch since he got both palms on the balls. For a guy who is dealing with inconsistency issues, turning a catchable ball into a pick was about the worst outcome imaginable. I also suspect that Tom expected him to do something different on the second pick, be it coming back for the ball instead of fading and giving ground, or perhaps running the route slightly different. It should be pointed out that his long completion involved a bobble as well.

I will say that Dobson looked pretty good running routes, which is development, but I think he played himself onto the bubble and is going to need a good performance this week to ensure a spot on the 53.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

Dude is made of glass

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Man, not just alligator arms but alligator body, Pinkston was a wussy, should've never played in the NFL.

New England Pride said:

Based on your passive aggressive use of the "Funny" icon I understand where you stand on Dobson, wich is fine and that's your opinion. It would be nice if you could add a little more to the thread than passive aggressive emojis and a comment like this though. Maybe back it up with reasons why you don't believe in him, or why you think he will flame out.

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Unless the pass is placed right in his belly (which negates his height advantage) and/or he is uncontested,
the chances are less than 50/50 that he will make the catch. That is to me a clear sign that he does not subconsciously want it badly enough. Compare him to somebody like Edelman, who plays as if he would rather die than cause an incompletion.

Despite his great 40-yard dash, including a 1.52 10-yard split, and his OK short-shuttle & 3-cone times,
he appears slower on the field for whatever reason. He couldn't really put enough daylight between him
and grizzled vet Peanut Tillman to prevent Tillman from having a chance to break up the pass, a chance
he should not have had anyway if Dobson & his 9" hands had secured the ball upon contact.

Dobson to me is failing the physical test, the emotional test, the psychological test and the field awareness test. He doesn't appear to know how to take fullest advantage of his natural skills, he appears more sad than angry after an INC or INT, he shows hesitation in his game that allows DBs to hang with him earlier and longer than they should, and frankly football doesn't seem as important to him as it needs to be.
That last critique might be considered purely conjectural (and it is, of course), but I've seen a lot of guys
come and go both in NE and the league, and IMO Dropson simply does not have what it takes to play a
significant role in this offense on this team.

There is a saying in business that goes: I don't blame you, I blame the one that hired you. I suppose that had he been drafted in Boyce's spot where his talent suggested and Bill had drafted Keenan Allen like he should have, I would cut him more slack because at least we would have one young WR with a future here, and Dropson could attempt to make a go of it more in the shadows than he is currently doing.

captain stone said:

Unless the pass is placed right in his belly (which negates his height advantage) and/or he is uncontested,
the chances are less than 50/50 that he will make the catch. That is to me a clear sign that he does not subconsciously want it badly enough. Compare him to somebody like Edelman, who plays as if he would rather die than cause an incompletion.

Despite his great 40-yard dash, including a 1.52 10-yard split, and his OK short-shuttle & 3-cone times,
he appears slower on the field for whatever reason. He couldn't really put enough daylight between him
and grizzled vet Peanut Tillman to prevent Tillman from having a chance to break up the pass, a chance
he should not have had anyway if Dobson & his 9" hands had secured the ball upon contact.

Dobson to me is failing the physical test, the emotional test, the psychological test and the field awareness test. He doesn't appear to know how to take fullest advantage of his natural skills, he appears more sad than angry after an INC or INT, he shows hesitation in his game that allows DBs to hang with him earlier and longer than they should, and frankly football doesn't seem as important to him as it needs to be.
That last critique might be considered purely conjectural (and it is, of course), but I've seen a lot of guys
come and go both in NE and the league, and IMO Dropson simply does not have what it takes to play a
significant role in this offense on this team.

There is a saying in business that goes: I don't blame you, I blame the one that hired you. I suppose that had he been drafted in Boyce's spot where his talent suggested and Bill had drafted Keenan Allen like he should have, I would cut him more slack because at least we would have one young WR with a future here, and Dropson could attempt to make a go of it more in the shadows than he is currently doing.

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Thank you for contributing to the thread beyond the sarcastic/passive aggressive use of the "Funny" button. That wasn't so bad was it?

Now as far as your comment goes, I'm gonna completely disagree with the first paragraph. Dobson made catches away from his body during his rookie year so I'm not sure where you are getting that idea from. Even if it were true, you claim that this is somehow proof that he "Doesn't want it?" Maybe he doesn't want it, but I'm not sure how needing the ball in his belly is a clear sign of not wanting it. Wouldn't that just mean his hands need work and he can't catch it away from his body? That's a silly blanket statement that I would hear from Skip Bayless on first take. If your inside that locker room as either a player, coach, or trainer, then maybe youve seen things day to day that could lead you to say he "doesn't want it", but I'm gonna hedge my bet and say your just making a blanket statement.

As far as the physical test, I think it's obvious he has the tools physically to be a contributing nfl reciever. Emotionally, you could be right, but it has yet to be seen. One healthy season isn't enough data to say he doesn't have it emotionally. Seems pre mature to me, and it seems like you are writing him off.

As far as Keenan "Almost quit after my first game" Allen, what makes you think he has what it takes to make it here? Playing in New England is far different than playing in San Diego and assuming that Allen would have made it here is another wild assumption. My guess is Allen would have flamed out here and you'd be complaining about who else New England should have taken.

My theory is that between the complicated offense, and the extremely demanding and high pressure environment, this team is not young wide reciever friendly. I think we could second guess draft choices all day, but truth be told, I'm not so sure even a monster like Bryant could handle it in New England. I don't believe every reciever we draft sucks, I just think it's an uphill battle for the reasons I've stated.