Gibson to IR

50-yard-line said:

It was mostly a joke, but Austin Collie says hi.

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I know, mine was a joke too. FWIW, Collie really has little to do with Wes.

Oswlek said:

I don't recall big injury red flags with Dobson and Boyce has a lot more than just speed. If anything, it was his intelligence that threw Bill off because by all accounts the guy gets it, he just can't put it together on the field.

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Dobson missed time in training camp due to injuries in year 1, year 2 and now year 3.

He also got injured during his rookie and 2nd season.

I agree in 2013 when he was drafted that was not a concern coming out of college like it was for Keenan Allen, I will give a pass in 2014 when the indications were not so clear, but in this year's draft there was enough data to pull the trigger in a receiver in round 2 or 3 and no one would even question that choice.

BadMoFo said:

Blame it on Boyce. If he would've played better, Gibson wouldn't have been out there late in the game.

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Boyce's suckage had nothing to do with it. This is all on Bill, who never should've had Gibson on the field
in the 4th quarter catching passes from Garoppolo. Really really short-sighted on his part.

captain stone said:

This is all on Bill, who never should've had Gibson on the field
in the 4th quarter catching passes from Garoppolo. Really really short-sighted on his part.

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Teams have to field 11 guys on offense in the preseason, somebody has to play.

Oswlek said:

I know, mine was a joke too. FWIW, Collie really has little to do with Wes.

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If DA or JE went down mid-season, i could see BB giving WW a call...

aluminum seats said:

Teams have to field 11 guys on offense in the preseason, somebody has to play.

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There were plenty of other options besides playing Gibson in the 4th quarter.

varjao said:

Dobson missed time in training camp due to injuries in year 1, year 2 and now year 3.

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Sure, but as you said, it wasn't a red flag coming out of college which is what was being discussed. Considering that the same injury hampered him in both year 1 and 2, I don't think it is as predictive as your comment indicates. NFL players get hurt sometimes.

50-yard-line said:

If DA or JE went down mid-season, i could see BB giving WW a call...

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I don't think it would happen until both went down. And maybe not even then. Wes is in the past.

captain stone said:

There were plenty of other options besides playing Gibson in the 4th quarter.

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Sure, but is the Garoppolo to Gibson connection so locked in already? Don't need to practice anymore? It's not like we're talking about Gronkowski. Football players play. Sometimes they get hurt.

Zach D'Orazio is a football player too. Let him play in the 4th quarter.

captain stone said:

Zach D'Orazio is a football player too. Let him play in the 4th quarter.

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Not to sound cruel, but I much rather have had the rookie in the mix, and have Gibson kept on the sideline the 4th quarter

What a damn shame...Gibson was almost certain to make the roster

captain stone said:

Zach D'Orazio is a football player too. Let him play in the 4th quarter.

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Look, you can't protect everybody. It's not like Gibson is so valuable that we can't have him out there. And it's important for Garoppolo to get some reps with guys who can actually, you know, play.

Every time a guy gets hurt in the preseason, people come out and say he shouldn't have been playing. Sorry, that's not the way it works… Sometimes guys get hurt. That's football.

Patstopia said:

Completely thought Gibson was a rookie. I didnt know he was on the Rams before us with DA

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Gibson was an up and coming player.

He would have busted loose with Brady.

With them signing Wayne it really seems to indicate that they planned on having Gibson be an active part of that offense. I really didn't think they viewed him as much of a piece so obviously shows what I know

The only silver lining in this is that the ACL was to his good knee. Rebuilding a wrecked and rebuilt knee is less probable of success, I would think.

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Zach D'Orazio is a football player too. Let him play in the 4th quarter.

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So... is playing in the 1st or 2nd or 3rd quarter is inherently safer than playing in the 4th quarter?

Sure, in hindsight you'd like to have sat out the player during the quarter in which he got hurt, but that could just as well have been on the first series of the game.

KontradictioN said:

The WR depth is being tested already. I wish the team would have done a bit more at the position in the draft and throughout the offseason. I'm not sure Wayne can even consistently get separation anymore at this point in his career.

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He doesn't need separation if he's running 5-yd curls, 7-yd slants and 9-yd comebacks. If he's running any deep-outs or whatever, it will be simply as a decoy, not as the primary.

varjao said:

I agree in 2013 when he was drafted that was not a concern coming out of college like it was for Keenan Allen, I will give a pass in 2014 when the indications were not so clear, but in this year's draft there was enough data to pull the trigger in a receiver in round 2 or 3 and no one would even question that choice.

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To be fair, Keenan Allen tanked his combine so SD could draft him.

Coming out of college, he should have been a consensus top-half of the first round pick. Then he tanked the combine. People didn't know what to make of it, so they all passed on him.

Good for Allen and SD for getting away with it.

captain stone said:

Boyce's suckage had nothing to do with it. This is all on Bill, who never should've had Gibson on the field
in the 4th quarter catching passes from Garoppolo. Really really short-sighted on his part.

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This makes no sense. The 4th quarter is just as important as the 1st in preseason - which is to say it's not important at all

The entire preseason is time to work on developing chemistry, getting live reps, learning new schemes etc. The results of the games don't matter so 4th quarter garbage time is the same as the 1st drive of the game.

What you seem to be saying is that Gibson shouldn't have been playing at all or that he doesn't need those reps with a guy who, as of now, is the week 1 starter. He doesn't, being new to the scheme, need reps in the Pats system. Any reps Gibson would get would be equally "garbage time".

I understand the argument for guys like Brady or Gronkowski who need little practice to be great regular season performers. But a new to the system #3/4 WR who has limited number of snaps with the possible starting QB? I don't see any rational argument for that guy not getting reps in preseason.

A big part of the Pats unparalleled success under Belichick has been preparation and chemistry (especially on offense where timing is critical). Suggesting that they keep guys off the field in preseason play, whether the 2nd or 4th quarter makes no sense to me. Sure, there's a risk of injury. There's also a risk of having unprepared or out of sync players in games that actually matter.

Wasn't it just a year or two who when Pats fans were complaining that the young/new WR were out of sync and they had a learning curve etc? We saw that play out in the regular season with offensive timing issues. Seems to me that more reps, not less, should be the argument. Especially for the non vital players.

TommyD4207 said:

To be fair, Keenan Allen tanked his combine so SD could draft him.

Coming out of college, he should have been a consensus top-half of the first round pick. Then he tanked the combine. People didn't know what to make of it, so they all passed on him.

Good for Allen and SD for getting away with it.

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Source?

Elijah said:

Source?

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Yeah I'd love to hear where he got that from. That's the first I've heard of Allen tanking his combine.