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Thanks a lot Bill. While you were busy completing a trade for an unathletic TE-OT who might not even have the ability to perform as a backup LT, and paying possibly Millions to Reggie Wayne because you have developed ZERO NFL-quality WRs in over 5 damn years (and 3, total, in FIFTEEN years), the
goddamn feckin donkeys signed one of the best LGs in football to a measley one-year contract, genius.

The Patriots just won their 4th Super Bowl in a decade and a half. It was the most recent game that counted; that recently.

And you still find it in yourself to be weirdly catty and condescending as you rip on Belichick, as though he hasn't made a compelling case that he's the best HC/GM in NFL history. Do you still believe that you could do a better job than him, or have you finally backed off on that absurd claim?
 
yp i read a while ago bout Mathis that he doesnt fit our scheme, but i am still worried bout o-line, two rookies against Suh&co, Jets Dline and Bills Defense under Rex. 6 games
 
Really? What about Baltimore I feel they give us more fits (postseason) then a soft led Denver team.

I can appreciate the argument for DEN being soft, but my concern is that it may be a bit premature. I still view them as a major contender. People point to Manning's enormous downfall down the stretch last year, but we don't know how much of that was due to injury.

As far as BAL being a threat, I certainly agree with you. I was a very small voice consisting of a minority of....ONE (possibly two--if some other dumb ass agreed with me at any point in time) as it pertained to their forum-wide "downfall," which was incorrectly predicted 2-3 years back when they got rid of players in free agency. They play physical ball and are able to win on the road, so even if they get in as a #6 they are dangerous.

IND is obviously another team that can pose problems. Those would be my personal top 3.
 
He couldn't feel his fingertips in 2013, and that didn't stop him from throwing for 55 TDs and 5500 yards.

His issue last year all went directly back to his torn quad, or whatever it was. If he's healthy, there's no reason to think he won't be the QB that he was for the first half of 2014.

As much as people write him off for a poor second half of 2014, he still had a fairly impressive statline with 12 wins and 39 touchdown passes. I'm guessing that most HC's or GM's would take that. If they commit to the running game more, as rumored, he can use his talents to pull out 10 wins in my opinion.

Hell, they're still very tough at home, having gone 8-0. Even if they drop a couple there, they can still split at 4-4 on the road and see double digit victories. I wouldn't put a fork in them just yet.
 
I can appreciate the argument for DEN being soft, but my concern is that it may be a bit premature. I still view them as a major contender. People point to Manning's enormous downfall down the stretch last year, but we don't know how much of that was due to injury.

As far as BAL being a threat, I certainly agree with you. I was a very small voice consisting of a minority of....ONE (possibly two--if some other dumb ass agreed with me at any point in time) as it pertained to their forum-wide "downfall," which was incorrectly predicted 2-3 years back when they got rid of players in free agency. They play physical ball and are able to win on the road, so even if they get in as a #6 they are dangerous.

IND is obviously another team that can pose problems. Those would be my personal top 3.

I think Denver will be a contender for at least for the AFC West because of their defense, it seems that Elway and Kubiak think Manning's decline was age related. They have Manning on a pitch count in practice and are giving him Wednesdays off during the season (Manning was always a guy who wanted every snap at practice).

Also, for the first time since early in his career, they are making Manning fit into someone else's system rather than making the system fit for Manning. I think this could adversely affect Manning more than his age. I am not sure how a run first offense with Manning lining up under center most of the time would affect his production even if he is the old Manning and not an old Manning. The Kubiak offense doesn't seem to fit Manning's strengths.

And I don't think anyone predicted the Ravens were done forever. As one of the more vocal ones who felt they were not going to be a contender the year after they won the Super Bowl, I never counted out Ozzie Newsome from rebuilding their franchise into a contender. I still don't know what to make of them this year because I am not sure Flacco will have anyone to throw to because he is relying on an aged Steve Smith and a rookie (who is currently sidelined with a sprained PCL). I am not a fan of Torrey Smith, but he fit into Jumpball Joe's style of play. I'm not sure if Justin Forsett had a fluke year or not last year. And their secondary has more questions than the Pats' do. I think they will be what they have been most of recent years - an average regular season team who IF they get into the playoffs will be a very tough out. Even the year they won the Super Bowl, they followed this formula.
 
And I don't think anyone predicted the Ravens were done forever. I think they will be what they have been most of recent years - an average regular season team who IF they get into the playoffs will be a very tough out. Even the year they won the Super Bowl, they followed this formula.

Actually, there were lots of people who predicted that. Some spoke of their "record setting number of FA losses," and how Cincy would be the new team of the AFCN. They spoke of how lousy their defense would be, and how limited their offense was.

The reality was that they were in direct contention for a playoff spot during the week 16 matchup with N.England, before allowing the game to slip away in the second half. But if you think about it (as you point out, as well), that's exactly what BAL is every single year. That's who they were the year they won the SB. They are a perennial 10-6, maybe 9-7 team, who has the ability to grind out victories on the road in the postseason. Nothing changed, which was my point during that debate. As a matter of fact, their defense improved in most categories that year.

As far as Manning goes, he may not be what he used to be, but he's still on the same plane as guys like Roethlisberger and Rivers. When you win 12 games and have a 39/15 TD to INT ratio, and all people do is talk about how badly you played, you're at least in the same category as the QBs from Pittsburgh or San Diego. Let's not act like he's the new Andy Dalton or Alex Smith of the conference. I couldn't imagine many scenarios where guys like Demarius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders aren't making some plays behind the running game. Just my opinion. They may not win 13 games any more, but they should be in contention for 10-11.
 
Actually, there were lots of people who predicted that. Some spoke of their "record setting number of FA losses," and how Cincy would be the new team of the AFCN. They spoke of how lousy their defense would be, and how limited their offense was.

The reality was that they were in direct contention for a playoff spot during the week 16 matchup with N.England, before allowing the game to slip away in the second half. But if you think about it (as you point out, as well), that's exactly what BAL is every single year. That's who they were the year they won the SB. They are a perennial 10-6, maybe 9-7 team, who has the ability to grind out victories on the road in the postseason. Nothing changed, which was my point during that debate. As a matter of fact, their defense improved in most categories that year.

As far as Manning goes, he may not be what he used to be, but he's still on the same plane as guys like Roethlisberger and Rivers. When you win 12 games and have a 39/15 TD to INT ratio, and all people do is talk about how badly you played, you're at least in the same category as the QBs from Pittsburgh or San Diego. Let's not act like he's the new Andy Dalton or Alex Smith of the conference. I couldn't imagine many scenarios where guys like Demarius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders aren't making some plays behind the running game. Just my opinion. They may not win 13 games any more, but they should be in contention for 10-11.
In posteseason Flacco gets elite status in his head and actually his permormance is very good.
Ravens had good draft in last two-three years, they have some good replacements for FA loses.
If they come to playoff they are bigger threat than denver.

Last year Denver loss against Indy surprised me and this year everyone wrights how Denver D is good. Who s gonna replace Pot roast?
In Oline there are changes as some above already posted, Mathis is solid and i think that under Kubiak they ll play a lot of run with Manning passing in this system. Perhaps changing system would be good for him, but i hope not.
 
Also, for the first time since early in his career, they are making Manning fit into someone else's system rather than making the system fit for Manning. I think this could adversely affect Manning more than his age. I am not sure how a run first offense with Manning lining up under center most of the time would affect his production even if he is the old Manning and not an old Manning. The Kubiak offense doesn't seem to fit Manning's strengths.

Hmmm. Perhaps they are doing two things here:
  1. Reducing the reliance on the passing game means fewer throws for Manning, meaning the muscle fatigue he experienced last year can be avoided or reduced, leaving him more effective at the end of the year, and
  2. Preparing for the post-Manning era by building that team now, and fully expecting to have a different QB next year (consistent with the posts here about transitioning to a zone blocking scheme being the reason for the turnover in OL).
I truly wish they were acting out of desperation and with only one year in mind, but perhaps they are smarter than that....
 
Actually, there were lots of people who predicted that. Some spoke of their "record setting number of FA losses," and how Cincy would be the new team of the AFCN. They spoke of how lousy their defense would be, and how limited their offense was.

The reality was that they were in direct contention for a playoff spot during the week 16 matchup with N.England, before allowing the game to slip away in the second half. But if you think about it (as you point out, as well), that's exactly what BAL is every single year. That's who they were the year they won the SB. They are a perennial 10-6, maybe 9-7 team, who has the ability to grind out victories on the road in the postseason. Nothing changed, which was my point during that debate. As a matter of fact, their defense improved in most categories that year.

As far as Manning goes, he may not be what he used to be, but he's still on the same plane as guys like Roethlisberger and Rivers. When you win 12 games and have a 39/15 TD to INT ratio, and all people do is talk about how badly you played, you're at least in the same category as the QBs from Pittsburgh or San Diego. Let's not act like he's the new Andy Dalton or Alex Smith of the conference. I couldn't imagine many scenarios where guys like Demarius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders aren't making some plays behind the running game. Just my opinion. They may not win 13 games any more, but they should be in contention for 10-11.


I am not going to rehash the Baltimore argument all over again, but the numbers do not support your argument that the defense improved and they missed the playoffs because their defense fell apart.

As for Manning, we have no idea where he is right now. I think Elway and Kubiak wouldn't agree with you about him being on par with Roethlisberger or Rivers because I could never see a head coach make either of those guys fit into their offense even if it doesn't play to their strengths. That is what they are doing in Denver.

Manning has never liked to line up with his hands under center because he likes to be in shotgun and see the field and not have to take a three to five step drop. That is Manning's strength in diagnosing the defense and they are hindering him on that.

Also, he is more of a rhythm QB, the more he throws the more he gets in a rhythm. I am not sure if they are a run heavy offense if it will disrupt his rhythm.
 
Hmmm. Perhaps they are doing two things here:
  1. Reducing the reliance on the passing game means fewer throws for Manning, meaning the muscle fatigue he experienced last year can be avoided or reduced, leaving him more effective at the end of the year, and
  2. Preparing for the post-Manning era by building that team now, and fully expecting to have a different QB next year (consistent with the posts here about transitioning to a zone blocking scheme being the reason for the turnover in OL).
I truly wish they were acting out of desperation and with only one year in mind, but perhaps they are smarter than that....

I am saying that the signing of Mathis is a reaction to how bad their offensive line has been this preseason. That is the desperation. I am not talking about their overall plan for the offense.
 
Elway has built a stacked team the last 3 years. It's not his fault the coaching staff and QB are choke artists
 
The only soft spot on this Donks team was the OL. Now they just added the best guard in the league. They are expecting a Super Bowl appearance here in Denver. Tickets have been booked. Hotels have been reserved. FYI
 
The only soft spot on this Donks team was the OL. Now they just added the best guard in the league. They are expecting a Super Bowl appearance here in Denver. Tickets have been booked. Hotels have been reserved. FYI

The 2001 Pittsburg Steelers said/did the same thing, it didn't work out too well for them.
 
Hmmm. Perhaps they are doing two things here:
  1. Reducing the reliance on the passing game means fewer throws for Manning, meaning the muscle fatigue he experienced last year can be avoided or reduced, leaving him more effective at the end of the year, and
  2. Preparing for the post-Manning era by building that team now, and fully expecting to have a different QB next year (consistent with the posts here about transitioning to a zone blocking scheme being the reason for the turnover in OL).
I truly wish they were acting out of desperation and with only one year in mind, but perhaps they are smarter than that....

Or they just saw a player on the market who was better than what they had so they signed him.

Depp philosophical discussions about the strategic meaning and long range franchise plans of signing an OG who was released by his last team seem like overshooting the mark.
 
The 2001 Pittsburg Steelers said/did the same thing, it didn't work out too well for them.

Just giving you all the scoop here. Donks fans are expecting a SB parade this year. Favorable schedule and no competition in the division again this season.
 
The Broncos OL lacks talent but the entire purpose of zone knee diving is to turn below average OL into average to slightly abover average OL. Combine that with Peyton's pretty quick release and they will be ok.
 
I am saying that the signing of Mathis is a reaction to how bad their offensive line has been this preseason. That is the desperation. I am not talking about their overall plan for the offense.

Eh, I think that's overstating it. The OL hasn't been any worse than it would've been reasonably expected to be. Mathis is just a really good player. He would've been a significant upgrade even if the line was playing well.
 
Eh, I think that's overstating it. The OL hasn't been any worse than it would've been reasonably expected to be. Mathis is just a really good player. He would've been a significant upgrade even if the line was playing well.

They did slightly better than expected in the last exibition game after a very rough start, but it is a huge area of concern because even with the additional of Mathis, he has a rookie protecting Manning's blindside and a second year player who was on the practice squad last year as his center.

And their o-line has the potential to be an outright disaster with four new starters and at least two of them with no NFL experience especially at key positions. So better than "reasonably expected" is anything from getting Manning killed with a season ending injury.


From Peter King's MMQB:

5. There are offensive line concerns in front of Manning—major ones. When has this happened: All three starters on the left side of the line have never played an NFL regular-season or playoff snap. “We’re still working on it,” Elway said. “We’re looking at all options. If we can find a player who can help us there as the season approaches, we’ll look at it.” Rookie left tackle Ty Sambrailo (second round), left guard Max Garcia (fourth round) and center Matt Paradis (sixth round, 2014, practice squad all last year) are the men under the microscope. Expect the Broncos to deal a low-round pick for someone’s line depth, or to pick up a lineman—probably a guard—on waivers.

http://mmqb.si.com/monday-morning-qb-cris-carter-jordy-nelson-navorro-bowman-nfl

LINE OF CONCERN: Both the Seahawks and Broncos have issues on the offensive line that'll begin to shake out on Friday. The Broncos are working in an offensive line that includes three players with zero NFL starts: rookies Ty Sambrailo and Max Garcia and Matt Paradis, who was on the practice squad all last season. The right tackle is veteran Ryan Harris and the stalwart of the line is Louis Vasquez, who returns to his natural position at right guard after serving as the team's right tackle down the stretch last year. Manning has four newcomers and five players in new spots this season.

http://gazette.com/wilson-seahawks-back-on-field-for-1st-time-since-super-bowl/article/feed/261617
 
They did slightly better than expected in the last exibition game after a very rough start, but it is a huge area of concern because even with the additional of Mathis, he has a rookie protecting Manning's blindside and a second year player who was on the practice squad last year as his center.


From Peter King's MMQB:



http://mmqb.si.com/monday-morning-qb-cris-carter-jordy-nelson-navorro-bowman-nfl



http://gazette.com/wilson-seahawks-back-on-field-for-1st-time-since-super-bowl/article/feed/261617

Their OL is not talented, but that doesn't make signing Mathis a panic move. He was the best FA on the market, and he finally came down in price to where he was willing to accept a reasonable contract. No need to read too much into it.
 
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