NFL vs. Brady Federal Court Hearing (8/19) LIVE UPDATES AND TWEETS

SVN said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-being-generally-aware-in-wednesdays-hearing/

interesting comment from PFT

"Berrigan also tore apart the evidence on Bountygate before concluding she was unable to break the CBA. Pats fans are in for a lot of disappointment with this “every Wednesday is we’re-getting-off celebration day” schedule we’ve got going on."

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Well Berman went after deficiencies in the process as well today (not just evidence). That would be the grounds he vacates on.

SVN said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-being-generally-aware-in-wednesdays-hearing/

interesting comment from PFT

"Berrigan also tore apart the evidence on Bountygate before concluding she was unable to break the CBA. Pats fans are in for a lot of disappointment with this “every Wednesday is we’re-getting-off celebration day” schedule we’ve got going on."

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Wasn't that Vilma's defamation case? Dead on arrival...?

Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 7m7 minutes ago
Nash- "the answer to most of what Kessler said is the legal standard. PA is asking judge to reexamine case" Ct has to defer to arb/commish
Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 6m6 minutes ago
Nash- law only requires that suspension was grounded in the CBA and that commish "arguably" applied the CBA.
Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 4m4 minutes ago
Nash- RG was not limited to Wells report. "Astonishing" that PA is arguing that NFL considered Brady's testimony in appeal.
Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 2m2 minutes ago
Nash- RG "did not believe Tom Brady" and found that his "explanations about the texts weren't credible"

Kdo5 said:

Then we'll see if the owners actually live up to the crap they are saying about "how we just want it to end". If they do then they'll pressure Goodell to let it go. If they don't then it just further goes to show how pathetic the league is.

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They will want this hanging off of the Pats neck all season

ViperGTS said:

I know it's gotta be said, but man that first quote that bothers me. How can he at this point give anything to the NFL?

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Kessler conceeded the non-cooperation (phone) issue and stated that it could have been handled better.

SVN said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-being-generally-aware-in-wednesdays-hearing/

interesting comment from PFT

"Berrigan also tore apart the evidence on Bountygate before concluding she was unable to break the CBA. Pats fans are in for a lot of disappointment with this “every Wednesday is we’re-getting-off celebration day” schedule we’ve got going on."

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Bountygate and Deflategate are two entirely different media driven animals.

Fact of the matter is, you can't suspended a player for "possibly being generally aware of possible deflation of footballs, that may or may not have been caused by mother nature or a fat guy who wants free Uggs" and the Judge, by all accounts, seems to agree.

Differences between the two are vast, especially since Goodell broke his own CBA in his ruling several times himself.

BradyFTW! said:

I've heard that if it's appealed, the 2nd circuit court of appeals has to hear it?

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i think you are right. only the supreme court has discretionary review. my bad.

Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 3m3 minutes ago
Nash - there was evidence for RG to conclude that Brady was aware and involved with ball deflation in AFC champ game

Essentially NFL is telling judge that he cant become arbitrator and goodell was.

SVN said:

Alan Milstein ‏@amilst44 6m6 minutes ago
Unbelievable that NFL compared deflategate to performance enhancing drugs.

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Has he not been paying attention?

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 14h14 hours ago
Even NFL isn't defending their #Deflategate findings as the right ones anymore. Their argument is that it doesn't matter bc Goodell said so

karguy85 said:

I am saying that's your personal opinion. I don't see it that way. I see it as legal maneuvering in a crappy situation (if that's the way it goes). People who believe Brady cheated will believe so no matter what the outcome is.

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Say whatever you want. It would be an admission no matter how well you fool yourself.

the only legal team that had a worse day than the NFL's was that of diehard Colts fan and pedophile Jared Fogle

SVN said:

Nash is calling Pash not relevant - red herring . and said Brady team opted not to seek his testimony when it had 2nd chance. Hilarious. Isnt this what wells and NFL did with 4 interviews of McNally?

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Slippery slope when you start lying to a federal judge.

SVN said:

Gabe Feldman ‏@SportsLawGuy 3m3 minutes ago
Nash - there was evidence for RG to conclude that Brady was aware and involved with ball deflation in AFC champ game

Essentially NFL is telling judge that he cant become arbitrator and goodell was.

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That quote right there is why every Patriots fan is furious with this entire ordeal: What evidence?

Seriously, what actual "EVIDENCE" do they have? NOTHING.

How can these fools claim they're suspending someone based on possible awareness driven by a $5 million dollar report with no facts or conclusions, then go before a judge and cite "evidence" as rationale for Goodell's ruling and reason for it being upheld. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

These guys are in charge of a billion dollar organization.....it's mind boggling and it pisses me off.

karguy85 said:

Of course it doesn't matter. I am just trying to talk the people on this forum screaming that accepting 1 game is an admission of guilt and will change public perception. Public perception is already pretty set, and accepting a game (for the reason of putting this behind them and having certainty that it won't be 4 games) is not an admission of guilt. Obviously we don't know what is in Brady or his lawyers' heads. But I think it's unfair to look to that type of settlement as an admission of guilt.

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As a Brady defender, I would be disappointed with Brady accepting a game. I would rather he go down swinging. Furthermore, let's not forget that the litigant in this case is the NFLPA and I can't imagine them accepting the creation of a one game suspension precedent for non-cooperation when the existing precedent is only a $50K fine.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

the only legal team that had a worse day than the NFL's was that of diehard Colts fan and pedophile Jared Fogle

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Hope Volin got Jared's autograph before they cuffed him. May be too late now.

AndyJohnson said:

My understanding is that he cannot object to the JUDGMENT of Abitrator Goodell, but he can set aside the verdict for bias, or procedural unfairness.
Such as Goodell rejecting case history that he was the losing party in, Goodell changing the reason for punishment, witness not being allowed to testify, and the whole conflict of interest and the bias and unfairness it created.
Once Brady gets the award vacated it will return to a new arbitrator (unless the NFL just gives up) and that arbitrator will make new judgement on the evidence.

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And if it does go to new arbitrator, the Wells/Pash Report has just been toasted, no? What "evidence" even remains viable?

karguy85 said:

Of course it doesn't matter. I am just trying to talk the people on this forum screaming that accepting 1 game is an admission of guilt and will change public perception. Public perception is already pretty set, and accepting a game (for the reason of putting this behind them and having certainty that it won't be 4 games) is not an admission of guilt. Obviously we don't know what is in Brady or his lawyers' heads. But I think it's unfair to look to that type of settlement as an admission of guilt.

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My comments were to the idea of what would Brady prefer.

I don't really agree with the perception thing.
I think there is a vocal minority that will consider Brady a cheater even if Exponent came out an dpublicly announced that they made an error and the IGL explains the whole thing and Wells and Goodell publicly apologized to the Pats and Brady and fully exonerated them. They are irrelevant.
I think we are talking about the level-headed, unbiased, not so well informed middle ground, whose opinions will be influenced by how this ends. I suppose that is well over half of America.

Deus Irae said:

Say whatever you want. It would be an admission no matter how well you fool yourself.

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Well that's just wrong. But remain headstrong in that. It would not be an admission of guilt unless he said he deflated footballs, no matter that you personally believe it would be an admission of guilt.

Max Stendahl ‏@MaxLaw360 1m1 minute ago
Players union head DeMaurice Smith outside courthouse: "It's important for us to pursue our rights in court."