NFL vs. Brady Federal Court Hearing (8/19) LIVE UPDATES AND TWEETS

The Gr8est · Aug 19, 2015

SVN said:
Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 2m2 minutes ago
Stephen Brown retweeted Andrew Brandt
Def agree with this point. Aggressive questioning a way to urge settlement.
Stephen Brown added,
Andrew Brandt @adbrandt
Again, can't read too much into strident questioning of NFL. Berman's goal is settlement, does not want to rule. Added a court date (8/31).

So Berman is aggressively attacking the intransigent party?

Wax Frog · Aug 19, 2015

nowayback said:
In actuality they don't want Pats winning SB again .

SVN · Aug 19, 2015

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...ate-courtroom-drama-but-battle-will-continue/

Nash called Brady and the NFLPA a “disappointed grievant” andadded that the “findings of the commissioner are entitled to deference.”

How can anyone not punch this guy hearing this repeatedly.?

ViperGTS · Aug 19, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
Max Stendahl ‏@MaxLaw360 4m4 minutes ago
Judge: "There are enough strengths and weaknesses on both sides..all the more reason why a settlement seems a logical and rational outcome."

Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 4m4 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
If a settlement isn't reached, Berman said he'll rule on #deflategate before Sept. 4.

I know it's gotta be said, but man that first quote that bothers me. How can he at this point give anything to the NFL?

Zeus · Aug 19, 2015

tatepatsfan said:
I agree with the point Stephen Brown made, that Berman may have tipped his hand a bit to push the NFL towards settling this. He clearly has serious problems with both the Wells Report and Goodell's conclusions. From what I have read, he even went into the process more this time - Pash not testifying, etc. So this is all very good for Brady and the NFLPA. However, and I don't mean to put a damper on things as I am extremely positive after today's hearing about Brady's case, but it could be that Judge Berman really thinks that the NFL's settlement offers have not been made in good faith and that the NFL simply seeks too much right now. But really crushing their attorney in court today, he could be sending a message that they need to get more realistic, without actually having decided how he is going to rule yet.

The biggest positive I took away from today is not Judge Berman again calling into question the "facts" (or lack thereof) underlying Brady's punishment, but rather, Judge Berman diving more into how the NFL screwed up the process. Because this is what the decision is ultimately going to come down to.

Berman seems concerned that the process did not allow the facts to come to light.

reflexblue · Aug 19, 2015

Patsfanin Philly said:
I think/hope that the judge's line of questioning is essentially dropping hints and leaving bread crumbs for the league to follow to move on their settlement demands. Whether the league is smart enough to pick up on it or just too pig headed remains to be seen....They ( schmucks at 345 PArk Av)are used to getting their way and may be too obstinate to move in their demands despite getting slapped by Federal judges in the past...repeatedly..

I think your right about the judge dropping hints to the nfl to settle, but we must remember goody, pash, etc. are all former jest. Thats means they're not the sharpest knives in the draw.

JackBauer · Aug 19, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
Max Stendahl ‏@MaxLaw360 3m3 minutes ago
Main argument from NFL's side remained that Goodell had authority to make findings and court should defer to him as the arbitrator.

They should just change his title to Emperor and get it over with.

I still cannot believe that this raging boner gets paid 44 MILLION dollars a year. Hopefully this ends soon.

SHOWTIME15 · Aug 19, 2015

SVN said:
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...ate-courtroom-drama-but-battle-will-continue/

Nash called Brady and the NFLPA a “disappointed grievant” andadded that the “findings of the commissioner are entitled to deference.”

How can anyone not punch this guy hearing this repeatedly.?

he has a tough argument. he's just doing his job - he doesn 't necessarily believe the NFL propoganda.

JMC00 · Aug 19, 2015

Brace yourself for the 2nd round of "Berman was just doing that to force a settlement because he knows he has to rule for the nfl"

Galeb · Aug 19, 2015

smurfalarm said:
Even if it is a false leak, it's a pointless one, because settlement offers will be moot once Berman will rules on the issue.

If you're falling down a cliff and the only thing to grab onto is a clump of grass that you know won't hold you, you grab onto it anyway.

TommyD4207 · Aug 19, 2015

reflexblue said:
Wasn't it Pash that invoked client, council privilege?

I think technically it was the NFL who invoked that. Because, Pash wasn't there.

TommyD4207 · Aug 19, 2015

JMC00 said:
Brace yourself for the 2nd round of "Berman was just doing that to force a settlement because he knows he has to rule for the nfl"

Already starting.

karguy85 · Aug 19, 2015

JMC00 said:
Brace yourself for the 2nd round of "Berman was just doing that to force a settlement because he knows he has to rule for the nfl"

That has already happened. See Brandt and Hubbach. No matter how the hearing went, they would argue it's bad for Brady.

Zeus · Aug 19, 2015

JackBauer said:
They should just change his title to Emperor and get it over with.

I still cannot believe that this limp **** gets paid 44 MILLION dollars a year. Hopefully this ends soon.

Edited for accuracy.

QuantumMechanic · Aug 19, 2015

I think that Berman is not allowed to dispute the evidence or Goodell's interpretations of the evidence. So (for example) if Goodell says science doesn't show Brady didn't deflate or even that there's little evidence deflation happened at all, Berman cannot substitute his opinion for Goodell's.

However, I think that Berman is allowed to consider the quality of the evidence and Goodell's interpretations of it for purposes of deciding if Goodell is acting in a sufficiently arbitrary, unfair, biased way.

But I (like many of us, I'm sure!) would love to hear from someone with legal experience re: the Federal Arbitration Act about where the lines are between a judge incorrectly reopening issues of fact and analyzing fairness of process.

brap999 · Aug 19, 2015

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 50m50 minutes ago

If Judge Berman was critical of NFL last week, he was even more critical today. Questions of fundamental fairness and evident impartiality.

The Brandon Five · Aug 19, 2015

nowayback said:
So the NFL was generous not giving Brady 8 games ! 4+ 4 psi and non coop . In actuality they don't want Pats winning SB again .

You know, I just watched "Three Games to Glory" and it reminded me of just how bad the officiating in that Ravens game was. Clearly the league did not want the Pats to get another Lombardi. Step 1 was egregiously lopsided officiating in the Divisional Game. Step 2 was the sting and resulting distraction of Defamegate.

Suck it, league office.

Ring 6 · Aug 19, 2015

TommyD4207 said:
I disagree. I think he thinks the science is so irrelevant and what happened here wasn't really a thing - that it doesn't matter about the science.

Not only that, he's not supposed to be re-litigating the case.

Berman isn't ruling on whether balls were deflated but rather on the hearing to appeal the penalty for 'more probably than not being at least generally aware'.

JJC · Aug 19, 2015

Rob0729 said:
If am Brady now, I am not settling for anything less than a complete exoneration and Goodell kissing his arse on the 50 yard line on opening night.

My offer is nothing.

Gronkowski123 · Aug 19, 2015

JMC00 said:
Brace yourself for the 2nd round of "Berman was just doing that to force a settlement because he knows he has to rule for the nfl"

polian/cosack spinning it that way..

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