CORRECTION: brady willing to accept 1 game for failure to cooperate is UNTRUE

Angelpats · Aug 19, 2015

I'm trying to put myself in Tom's place. He just want to play football, connect with his guys, and get better. Psi is bs to him. He understands his legacy but real games start in a month and when they start measuring the balls and everyone sees the psi drop during cold weather games he will get his name back and if the nfl has any integrity, unlikely, they will apologize to him. That's before they get sued for a billion dollars.

BradyFTW! · Aug 19, 2015

FourierSeries said:
It's admitting that he didn't cooperate. That's all. As much as Berman **** on the NFL's case, he still questioned Brady's side about his lack of cooperation. Unfortunately, I believe this is probably the best he can hope for at this point.

Nobody outside New England will see it that way. If he wants any chance at any kind of vindication in this, he can't accept a suspension.

karguy85 · Aug 19, 2015

Guys, a 1 game suspension for lack of cooperation is not an implicit admission of guilt. Stop pretending it is. Brady is being counseled by some smart people who are probably telling him that he needs to give a little bit because waiting for a decision can yield unpredictable results. Berman could issue a ruling basically saying the Wells Report is trash, Goodell has too much authority, but it was bargained for in the CBA and does not violate any law. That would be horrible. Additionally, showing a willingness to move some, especially in areas where it looks like the NFL will not budge, gives credibility with the judge. The NFLPA/Brady look reasonable, while the NFL will look bad (especially with the lack of evidence on their side and their unwillingness to back off the Wells Report).

SHOWTIME15 · Aug 19, 2015

Angelpats said:
when they start measuring the balls and everyone sees the psi drop during cold weather games he will get his name back and if the nfl has any integrity, unlikely, they will apologize to him. That's before they get sued for a billion dollars.

are you kidding? the NFL will make up the PSI numbers so Brady will look guilty.

SHOWTIME15 · Aug 19, 2015

karguy85 said:
Guys, a 1 game suspension for lack of cooperation is not an implicit admission of guilt. Stop pretending it is. Brady is being counseled by some smart people who are probably telling him that he needs to give a little bit because waiting for a decision can yield unpredictable results. Berman could issue a ruling basically saying the Wells Report is trash, Goodell has too much authority, but it was bargained for in the CBA and does not violate any law. That would be horrible. Additionally, showing a willingness to move some, especially in areas where it looks like the NFL will not budge, gives credibility with the judge. The NFLPA/Brady look reasonable, while the NFL will look bad (especially with the lack of evidence on their side and their unwillingness to back off the Wells Report).

no it wouldn't horrible. most here would rather see a 4 game suspension than a 1 game

Kontradiction · Aug 19, 2015

IllegalContact said:
worrying about this now is incredibly stupid..........football is here and to fight a fight that will undermine a teams season is selfish and pretty stupid.......there is prudence in having this thing being over for 1 game rather than trying to save face while sitting 4

Which is why they asked Berman to rule quickly on this a few weeks ago. The NFL wants this over with before Week 1 too, make no mistake about it. Re: the bolded. Interesting. So you think that Brady's choices are to either accept a 1 game suspension or fight it and sit 4. In essence, that means that you expect the NFL to win if this drags out. Explain to me in detail why you believe that.

nobody cares anymore..........you're either behind him or a hater........nothing is going to change that.

as for HOF, he really doesn't need to worry about that

You're kidding yourself if you don't think this will be talked about at his induction. The difference is that it will be talked about ad nauseum if he accepts one game. The media will report it as being a wide admission of guilt and will only gloss over it being about non-cooperation. If he's looking at accepting a penalty for non-cooperation, it needs to be a fine. There is a precedent there.

Clonamery · Aug 19, 2015

karguy85 said:
Guys, a 1 game suspension for lack of cooperation is not an implicit admission of guilt. Stop pretending it is. Brady is being counseled by some smart people who are probably telling him that he needs to give a little bit because waiting for a decision can yield unpredictable results. Berman could issue a ruling basically saying the Wells Report is trash, Goodell has too much authority, but it was bargained for in the CBA and does not violate any law. That would be horrible. Additionally, showing a willingness to move some, especially in areas where it looks like the NFL will not budge, gives credibility with the judge. The NFLPA/Brady look reasonable, while the NFL will look bad (especially with the lack of evidence on their side).

It is an admission of guilt...for not cooperating.

karguy85 · Aug 19, 2015

TommyBrady12 said:
no it wouldn't horrible. most here would rather see a 4 game suspension than a 1 game

Well that just doesn't make sense to me. I'm a lawyer and I see this as strategy coupled with the hope for predictability (which goes out the window if you allow Berman to rule).

SVN · Aug 19, 2015

Brady being suspended even 1 game is a bigger loss for the NFLPA setting a bad precedent for future rulings. Not sure how they can be happy about it.

IllegalContact · Aug 19, 2015

smurfalarm said:
I don't know for sure, I certainly don't trust league sources, but I don't get why people think it is so unthinkable that Brady might prefer to sit out a game and get this over with than deal with the uncertainty of a Berman ruling, wherein even if he "wins" the most likely result is that he spends several more months of court appearances on the NFL's appeal of Berman's ruling followed by re-arbitration, which means he will have to take days of his time traveling to and from New York again in the middle of the season, and even then we don't even know he won't get a smaller suspension in the re-arbitration. As much as I hope he fights, I can totally understand if he would rather sit out a game and get it all over with now.

there is value in getting out from under this thing and having the whole thing be over.....the NFL's advantage is that they don't have to worry about stepping onto a field.

there is a decent chance that this is one form of crap or another (untrue or lip service by brady)

I still think the most likely outcome is that there is no settlement.......

sb1 · Aug 19, 2015

That Mike Gasior character just tweeted this:

Mike Gasior ‏@MikeGasior 9m9 minutes ago

To press settlement judge told @NFL his ruling would likely vacate the games and fine the $50K that Favre got. @NFL balking.

IllegalContact · Aug 19, 2015

SVN said:
Brady being suspended even 1 game is a bigger loss for the NFLPA setting a bad precedent for future rulings. Not sure how they can be happy about it.

once the owners have some time to think about this post mortem, they will see the actions of the front office as being bad for the label.

Kdo5 · Aug 19, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
Nobody outside New England will see it that way. If he wants any chance at any kind of vindication in this, he can't accept a suspension.

You really think the people who already think he's guilty believe it makes a difference if he went all the way and lost anyhow?

Brady's best chance of vindication is to go out and have another great season, and hopefully win a championship. I refuse to **** on him and imply he is a guilty coward even if he takes a one game for non cooperation. It SUCKS don't get me wrong but if the sense is that they won't win the case then it is a tough decision for Tom. Four games or one? I'd understand if he swallows a tough pill like that.

In any case the NFL seems unlikely to budge on it. So let's not freak the **** out already.

karguy85 · Aug 19, 2015

sb1 said:
That Mike Gasior character just tweeted this:

Mike Gasior ‏@MikeGasior 9m9 minutes ago

To press settlement judge told @NFL his ruling would likely vacate the games and fine the $50K that Favre got. @NFL balking.

That doesn't make sense. Berman can't act as arbitrator and issue his own judgment. He can overturn judgment, or confirm.

sb1 · Aug 19, 2015

If and I mean IF Gasior's source is legit it could be one of those "We have a confession from your partner in crime saying you did it! What do you say now?" type of deals that the judge is trying to pursue to get a settlement.

And maybe he'll tell Brady's team that he is going to rule based on the power given to the commissioner in the CBA....

sb1 · Aug 19, 2015

karguy85 said:
That doesn't make sense. Berman can't act as arbitrator and issue his own judgment. He can overturn judgment, or confirm.

That's an interesting point, and it kind of flips that source on its ear. I guess we shall see.

SVN · Aug 19, 2015

sb1 said:
That Mike Gasior character just tweeted this:

Mike Gasior ‏@MikeGasior 9m9 minutes ago

To press settlement judge told @NFL his ruling would likely vacate the games and fine the $50K that Favre got. @NFL balking.

Now he is trolling. He is inside the judge's chambers???

JMC00 · Aug 19, 2015

SVN said:
Brady being suspended even 1 game is a bigger loss for the NFLPA setting a bad precedent for future rulings. Not sure how they can be happy about it.

Why the f*** are you going on like this true?

IllegalContact · Aug 19, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
Nobody outside New England will see it that way. If he wants any chance at any kind of vindication in this, he can't accept a suspension.

who gives a f*ck about 'outside of new england'?

turkeyneck · Aug 19, 2015

sb1 said:
That Mike Gasior character just tweeted this:

Mike Gasior ‏@MikeGasior 9m9 minutes ago

To press settlement judge told @NFL his ruling would likely vacate the games and fine the $50K that Favre got. @NFL balking.

I've gotta like this...but with a high degree of caution.

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