OT: Cherrington's out as BoSox GM

Gordon Edes@GordonEdes
Red Sox have hired Dave Dombrowski as president of baseball operations. Chetrington out as GM, will assist in transition

Also, just heard this reported during the Red Sox game.

Not surprised. You can’t make that Porcello extension and keep your job.

raduray said:

Gordon Edes@GordonEdes
Red Sox have hired Dave Dombrowski as president of baseball operations. Chetrington out as GM, will assist in transition

Also, just heard this reported during the Red Sox game.

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Lucky for him to inherit one giant piece of garbage. Cherington pulled off a miracle a few years ago to dump all the bad contracts of Gonzales,Beckett and Crawford. Wins a World Series and then puts them right back in salary cap hell. He left it like he inherited it I guess.

Slobavol over Lester. enough said.

I wonder if Theo will take him back...

raduray said:

Gordon Edes@GordonEdes
Red Sox have hired Dave Dombrowski as president of baseball operations. Chetrington out as GM, will assist in transition

Also, just heard this reported during the Red Sox game.

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Something had to happen. They've become tough to watch.

Tony2046 said:

Something had to happen. They've become tough to watch.

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Yeah, but this crap came right from the top. The pitching issue is all on John Henry, and that's what killed the Red Sox this year.

Deus Irae said:

I wonder if Theo will take him back...

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Seriously doubtful. The Duke hired him before the Boy Genius got there. Look for him to move to Baltimore.

I have some friends (not close ones, just college buddies who I catch up with from time to time) who work in the Red Sox organization, and apparently Cherington is a genuinely good guy. So on that front, it's a bummer to hear the news. Never would've thought 15 years ago that we'd get to a place where the Sox fired their GM less than 2 years after a World Series win.

OTOH, the Porcello contract speaks for itself. I get not spending money when there's nobody worth spending it on. That's just smart management, and the Jets' failure to understand that is why they'll be back in cap hell within a couple years after firing Idzik. But you can't committ a bunch of money to objectively bad players.

BradyFTW! said:

I have some friends (not close ones, just college buddies who I catch up with from time to time) who work in the Red Sox organization, and apparently Cherington is a genuinely good guy. So on that front, it's a bummer to hear the news. Never would've thought 15 years ago that we'd get to a place where the Sox fired their GM less than 2 years after a World Series win.

OTOH, the Porcello contract speaks for itself. I get not spending money when there's nobody worth spending it on. That's just smart management, and the Jets' failure to understand that is why they'll be back in cap hell within a couple years after firing Idzik. But you can't committ a bunch of money to objectively bad players.

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Not just Porcello. Ramirez and Sandoval. Dodger deal regained financial flexibility; three ill-considered signings threw it away.

BradyFTW! said:

I have some friends (not close ones, just college buddies who I catch up with from time to time) who work in the Red Sox organization, and apparently Cherington is a genuinely good guy. So on that front, it's a bummer to hear the news. Never would've thought 15 years ago that we'd get to a place where the Sox fired their GM less than 2 years after a World Series win.

OTOH, the Porcello contract speaks for itself. I get not spending money when there's nobody worth spending it on. That's just smart management, and the Jets' failure to understand that is why they'll be back in cap hell within a couple years after firing Idzik. But you can't committ a bunch of money to objectively bad players.

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Team should have kept Lester and Lackey
Team never should have traded Iglesias
Team never should have signed Sandoval

It's a whole different team just with those moves/non-moves*



*I get Ramirez, actually. Sandoval, though.... sheesh!

Deus Irae said:

Yeah, but this crap came right from the top. The pitching issue is all on John Henry, and that's what killed the Red Sox this year.

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Ugh, Pitching. Bottom of the barrel ERA . Magnified buy HOF performances in Left and at 3rd.

Anyways, to keep it footbally, at least I've been distracted by Deflategate. FWIW.

Deus Irae said:

Team should have kept Lester and Lackey
Team never should have traded Iglesias
Team never should have signed Sandoval

It's a whole different team just with those moves/non-moves*



*I get Ramirez, actually. Sandoval, though.... sheesh!

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If Sandoval was his worst signing, I think that would be forgivable by itself. I mean, yeah, even this past offseason he was practically made of red flags, and any fan with even a casual understanding of advanced stats knew he was probably going to take a nosedive and become an albatross contract within a couple years max. Signing him was liking giving Marshawn Lynch money to Frank Gore, it rationally made no sense in any environment where you're not printing money. But the Sox can afford an albatross contract or two as long as the guy in question remains good enough to start. Call it the 2007 JD Drew special, if you'd like.

I can even forgive letting Lackey walk, since I was in favor of it at the time. But I agree that trading Lester was a horrible idea, and then lowballing him in FA a few months later was even worse. Lester + Porcello = maybe a firable offense in their own right, IMO.

I used to happily pay for MLB.tv. From when I moved out west until a couple years ago, it was automatic. I stopped when they ran Francona out of town, because I was pissed at the organization. Thought about jumping back on after 2013, since I really loved the composition of that team. I never did, though, and I'm glad I didn't because whenever I've caught the Sox this year it's been excruciating. And not just because they've been particularly bad against the Angels.

Zeus said:

Not just Porcello. Ramirez and Sandoval. Dodger deal regained financial flexibility; three ill-considered signings threw it away.

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Of those three, I'm okay with the Ramirez signing, and I regard the Sandoval deal as a kinda-defensibly-bad one. It was a bad deal, we all knew it was a bad deal the moment it was signed, but part of being the Red Sox is that you can sign a player to a deal that you know is bad from time to time, provided that he gives you upper-tier production (which he hasn't, obviously).

Porcello was pure garbage, though. That's just ridiculous.

Deus Irae said:

Team should have kept Lester and Lackey
Team never should have traded Iglesias
Team never should have signed Sandoval

It's a whole different team just with those moves/non-moves*



*I get Ramirez, actually. Sandoval, though.... sheesh!

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I don't get Ramirez. Nice Bat but he did not have a great track record for staying on the field and even when he is on the field he's a defensive liability.

Edit: I did not know at the time of his signing that he would be that bad in Left. fwiw.

Deus Irae said:

Team should have kept Lester and Lackey
Team never should have traded Iglesias
Team never should have signed Sandoval

It's a whole different team just with those moves/non-moves*



*I get Ramirez, actually. Sandoval, though.... sheesh!

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I generally disagree. I'm a die hard Sox fan and you don't sign Lester for 170. Not happening. I'd rather grab Sherzer for 200. Even then I don't do either.

Lackey wasn't wanting to be here. The return can be argued but he was not gonna play here for 500. He would have sat. That doesn't create a good atmosphere.

Iglesias got you Peavy who helped win a championship. You do that trade everyday. Plus, he's a cancer in the clubhouse. Good riddance. I take XB over him all day long.

They inquired about Josh Donaldson and Bean told them to f-off. Then traded him to Toronto. They needed a 3B and Sandoval is the least of the problems.

I agree with the Hanley thing. The lack of OF probably had something to do with it. Perfect DH but Ortiz is there. If Ortiz is hitting .140 against lefties next season it's the bench or release and slid Hanley into the DH spot.

Tony2046 said:

I don't get Ramirez. Nice Bat but he did not have a great track record for staying on the field and even when he is on the field he's a defensive liability.

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I look at him as the Ortiz replacement after next season so, while I hated the signing (way too much money), I at least saw some logic. Signing fat guys to huge and guaranteed contracts is almost never a good idea, though. You're almost assured of them having wasted first year.

On the other hand, 2013 was my favorite team ever. Best team in baseball wire-to-wire, 97 regular season wins, 11-5 in the playoffs. Damn, they were good.

ViperGTS said:

I generally disagree. I'm a die hard Sox fan and you don't sign Lester for 170. Not happening. I'd rather grab Sherzer for 200. Even then I don't do either.

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Could have paid him less before the start of the season.

ViperGTS said:

Lackey wasn't wanting to be here. The return can be argued but he was not gonna play here for 500. He would have sat. That doesn't create a good atmosphere.

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Lackey wanted out after the Lester fiasco. They could have kept him and adjusted his salary to something palatable.

ViperGTS said:

Iglesias got you Peavy who helped win a championship. You do that trade everyday. Plus, he's a cancer in the clubhouse. Good riddance. I take XB over him all day long.

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Peavy did squat, and the Red Sox traded away an incredible glove at short, even though he can hit. You never make that trade. That trade was a firing offense all on its own.

ViperGTS said:

They inquired about Josh Donaldson and Bean told them to f-off. Then traded him to Toronto. They needed a 3B and Sandoval is the least of the problems.

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No need to continue from here. Now you're just talking crazy.

I hit a home run off him in HS.

He rebounded from that demoralizing defeat just fine.

Good luck, Ben

They inquired about Josh Donaldson and Bean told them to f-off. Then traded him to Toronto. They needed a 3B and Sandoval is the least of the problems.

No need to continue from here. Now you're just talking crazy.

Am I? The facts, I have them.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...ox_wanted_josh_donaldson_before_signing_pablo

I expect a retraction. I am not Trollin Volin.