Is Wells done?

TheBostonStraggler said:

The legal profession can frequently turn out two things: Those without integrity and politicians.

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I'm confused. Thats only 1 thing.

TheBostonStraggler said:

Is Ted Wells done because of his gross lack of integrity in Defamegate? Ha! Chances are much MUCH better Ted Wells will be the next Senator from NY versus being harmed from Defamegate. The legal profession can frequently turn out two things: Those without integrity and politicians.
So unless some wild, unlikely, rare miracle of just desserts strike this crumb, in all likelihood at worst this slime will continue to collect huge payouts for railroading people by way of lying and framing. He'll then retire to a beach house in a very exclusive area (and probably right next to the Goodell's mansion/beach house).

Just is what it is my friends. Yet a tangible revenge we can hope for is the Patriots win the SB and Brady uses the bully pulpit of the spectacle to throw a few tiny 'chop chop' jabs his way, and make that slimy water walker choke on his chateau lafite rothschild in silent rage (add in there Goodell being drowned out with super loud boos just for being on the stage -- then watching his smarmy hideous face turn boiled lobster red ).

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two things: Those without integrity and politicians. Same thing, no?

GrogansArmy said:

Just curious. Is there any possibility of him coming up with a smoking gun if he hasn't by now? Could the NFL be hiding 'stuff' until the most opportune moment? Seems, in my opinion, the NFL is basing their whole case on his report.

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The judge asked at the hearing last week if the NFL had a smoking gun and the lawyer said there is no smoking gun. So, no.

Tony2046 said:

But, from my understanding, it's not the evidence that's on trial here. It is whether the NFL had the authority to punish Brady under the current CBA. Right? If so, what smoking gun evidence could Well's have in his pocket? The hidden CBA rule printed on the back of Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa?

Kidding aside, what evidence would change how Berman would decide whether the NFL was or was not permitted to punish Tom Brady? And if the evidence existed why would the NFL allow themselves to be slapped around in court only to drop the "gotcha" piece on Berman's desk at the last possible moment?

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Yes, if lemon juice and heat reveals that the NFLPA agreed to a random four game suspension and Brady endorsed it, then it would be hard times indeed for the Pats fans.

What evidence? An intra office e-mail from Rog indicating Brady was to be punished, regardless of evidence, in order to send a message to the NFLPA and the players (think the warden in "The Longest Yard"). That would do it. Really, other than bias new evidence would not be appropriate as to the actual procedures to be employed as that is generally contract interpretation at the time of agreement.

Other than something like that showing up unexpectedly, and the NFL believing it was beyond reach, that would be a bad idea for the NFLPA after dumping all the exhibits for the Judge to read as it did. If the court is used like that, certainly when there is an understanding as to when evidence would be produced for the court, the offending party can suffer blowback in the form of sanctions.

I do not expect any real surprises at this point. This has played out fairly predictably. I am waiting to hear tomorrow if the Judge indicates he will be putting a decision on the streets before September 4th, or answers a decision will issue in "due course", meaning whenever I get to it (which could be tomorrow to 10 months from now).

Some athletes and some lawyers ... 2 professions where you can suck and still make millions.

Seems like old Ted has one of those NBA guaranteed contracts .... nice gig.

He will keep making good money if that's what you're asking. Is he going to do any other job for the NFL? I don't think so, that ship has sailed, deframegate is a fiasco, they though Brady would be a good guy as usual and capitulate like Blowjob Kraft and now they have another thing coming.

Even the haters and people who wants to see Brady suspended wants that because it is in their interest, but they know this report is a sham, in other fan bases I've been monitoring I'm starting to see more and more posts like "ok there is no evidence but" and a few variants, putting every opinion in the same basket and it would be "ok this a setup, Goodell is framing the Patriots (and I approve that) but.."

Even those players that are defending 8 games suspension, 1 season suspended, etc...when they get into trouble and Goodell calls Wells to perform an investigation, they will be like this

"You honor, I'd like to submit one piece of evidence, if you look at this picture you can clearly see Tom Brady shaking hands with Aaron Hernandez, clearly he was at least generally aware that one of his star tight ends was about to commit murder, I move to have Tom Brady arrested for conspiracy to murder, I rest my case."
-Ted Wells.

I think we can be sure they've fired every bullet in every gun.

And, if they were to introduce anything substantive and new at this point, it would really piss off the Judge.

As for Wells, unless he is required by the Judge's order to be in the courtroom tomorrow, I imagine it's the last place he would want to be, lest Kessler call him as a Witness and make him answer questions under oath about whether he was acting as an "independent investigator" or "advocate" for the League.

I imagine that the NFL's in-house people are going to have a sleepless night tonight, wondering whether they will have to answer under oath questions about the nature of their contact with Wells throughout the investigation and the nature of their contact with Colts and Ravens officials. They're probably also worried that Judge Berman will order them to produce cell phone, email and text logs...wouldn't it be a hoot if one of them had destroyed his phone???

He will never be done. There is Mr. Libby, and many others who need representation or should I say independent representation.

It was a set up and Wells is Goodell's boy and now will be his Fall Guy along with other NFL* Usual Suspects. He's been Well Done since releasing his 243 pg report.

GrogansArmy said:

Just curious. Is there any possibility of him coming up with a smoking gun if he hasn't by now? Could the NFL be hiding 'stuff' until the most opportune moment? Seems, in my opinion, the NFL is basing their whole case on his report.

Furthermore, due to the release of the appeals transcript and evidence of Wells not truly being an "independent" investigator while the NFL claimed he was and he himself angrily proclaimed himself as independent in a press conference... could Wells sue the NFL for loss of potential money? The ******* part of me would kind of like to see that.

I have to guess that at this point no respectable party/company would dream of hiring Wells due to the fallout of deflategate and the hit to Wells' reputation. Then again people still hire Exponent even after they swore cigarette smoke has no adverse affect.

Perhaps I'm wrong and just hoping, maybe some lawyer types could chime in.

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Wells had nothing to begin with, so why should we be surprised to see them contrive another self-serving lie?

Fencer said:

Wells' career as a purportedly independent investigator could be done. However, he's still a high-paid litigator.

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which I don't get because he seemed almost unbalanced in that conference call. I don't think I'd want hom representing me no matter how expensive or well connected he is.

Hoodie said:

which I don't get because he seemed almost unbalanced in that conference call. I don't think I'd want hom representing me no matter how expensive or well connected he is.

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One reason of several that this is all indeed a career negative for him. But litigators are like cornerbacks -- a certain amount of embarrassing failure just comes with the territory. Logan Ryan is still getting camp reps, and even those who wish he weren't shouldn't say that his presence is crazy.

vyrago said:

two things: Those without integrity and politicians. Same thing, no?

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Technically yes, however, there is media, lobbyists, corporate henchmen, even the newest wave of college administrators. The mastering of having no integrity certainly isn't limiting someone from being successful only in the field of politics.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...tom-brady-court-case-malcolm-butler-rise-more

I agree with reiss

Q. Mike, I was disappointed to learn (from another publication) that some in the NFL believe the league has "way more" evidence against the Patriots, which you haven't discussed. Given the potential existence of this secret evidence, is it possible we'll see perjury charges filed against Tom Brady? Has the league based punishment on secret evidence in the past? -- Mark P. (Cambridge, Massachusetts)

A. Mark, I don't think this is about any "secret evidence." The way I interpreted the anonymous quote referred to here is that there are some in the NFL who believe that there have been push-the-envelope type things happening in the Patriots' organization for some time; thus, because of that belief, it's easier for them to accept the shaky findings of the Wells report and assume the worst (thinking there is even more there). In the end, with fairness in mind, all we can go on is direct evidence and I'd ask anyone the same question that Judge Berman has: What direct evidence is there that Tom Brady was involved in a "scheme" to deflate footballs? I haven't seen any.

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The NFL in the arbitration transcript was trying to use a Gronk spike - ball deflated joke comment from brady as evidence. THESE guys having something more is suspect.

Fencer said:

Most of the bad stuff Wells has done in all this amount to being vigorous and sneaky in advancing the interests of his client.

For a litigator, those are virtues.

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Crafting a pitifully lame report isn't a virtue.

Deus Irae said:

Crafting a pitifully lame report isn't a virtue.

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No. But it's an unsuccessful attempt at client service.

SVN said:

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...tom-brady-court-case-malcolm-butler-rise-more

I agree with reiss

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I keep hearing this kind of thing:

there are some in the NFL who believe that there have been push-the-envelope type things happening in the Patriots' organization for some time;

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Where does this come from? Because of Camera-placement-gate?

Churchill was right:

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

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The Brandon Five said:

I keep hearing this kind of thing:



Where does this come from? Because of Camera-placement-gate?

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I'm wondering if you only recently started reading media reports about the Patriots . . . .

You can thank Josh McDaniels for a lot of this. Steve Scarnecchia got caught videotaping another team's walk-through on Josh's watch (lending new credibility to the previously discredited rumors of the Patriots filming the Rams' and other teams' walk-throughs because nobody believed that McDaniels and Steve S just decided to do this for the very first time in Denver), then he threw the Patriots under the bus by saying (in reference to Spygate, but it was easily adapted by media reports to refer to cheating generally) that such illicit activity was "practiced, coached and worked on" in Foxboro.

Then there is the Peter King report about Manning being scared that the Pats' locker rooms were bugged, all the "second frequency" stuff in that ridiculous self-published book, etc. All in all, more than enough fodder for suspicious owners.