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Whoa. It looks like there are some really good legal minds weighing in on this. As far as I can see, the NFL's case is now relegated to a bunch of white glove lawyers who don't want to get their hands dirty and who haven't had an original thought in 25 years. I can't imagine that's impressing Judge Berman.

My favorite quote: "Ted Wells,represented Scooter Libby and told the jury he did not obstruct justice; in defategate he concluded Brady obstructed justice." (Alan Milstein). [Note: Even W didn't pardon Libby, but only commuted his sentence so he wouldn't have to go to prison.]

Ted Wells says whatever the guy who's paying him wants him to say. Another fact that I can't imagine is lost on Judge Berman.
 
Okay first off, I can't read what you're doing with the hyphens but it's not marking off the iambs. Secondly... are you saying that the "e" at the end of "Dulce" is invented, or is it a typo?

Thirdly I would contend that the line break after "est" is brilliant. Re-read it. The lie is separated from the cause... the penultimate line identifies "the old lie" as "Dulce et decorum est"; Owens then completes the quotation in the final line.

But by placing the line break, as he does, after "est," he's saying in a war poem "It's always a lie to say 'it's sweat and right' when you're talking about death." It's clear from the poem that it's death in war, specifically by gas, that he's talking about - but death itself is made more prominent by pushing "to die for your country" (pro patria mori) to the end.

Paradoxically, pro patria mori, in the sense of the whole of the poem, is greatly strengthened by the placement. To title the poem "It is Sweet and Right" rather than "To Die for Country" lends the whole a haunting irony made all the more bitter by the division of the two phrases.

At least thass what I think, but I had no jesuits to guide me :)
I won't argue with your literary critique. Just point out that when the Latin is read, it comes out not as two words "Dulce" "Et", but "Dulcet" (the two e's are elided. So too "Decorum" and "est" come out "Decorest." I used to know why, but I've honestly forgotten. Here's a link: http://suberic.net/~marc/scansion.html

PS: this might take the all time prize for OT on this board, don't-ya-think>
 
I won't argue with your literary critique. Just point out that when the Latin is read, it comes out not as two words "Dulce" "Et", but "Dulcet" (the two e's are elided. So too "Decorum" and "est" come out "Decorest." I used to know why, but I've honestly forgotten. Here's a link: http://suberic.net/~marc/scansion.html

PS: this might take the all time prize for OT on this board, don't-ya-think>
OT? Volin would claim to see the deflategate connection instantly. He just assumed "pro patria mori" was " Kraft's pro patriots morals"
 
My favorite quote: "Ted Wells,represented Scooter Libby and told the jury he did not obstruct justice; in defategate he concluded Brady obstructed justice." (Alan Milstein). [Note: Even W didn't pardon Libby, but only commuted his sentence so he wouldn't have to go to prison.]

Ted Wells says whatever the guy who's paying him wants him to say. Another fact that I can't imagine is lost on Judge Berman.
Isn't that what lawyers do?
 
Okay first off, I can't read what you're doing with the hyphens but it's not marking off the iambs. Secondly... are you saying that the "e" at the end of "Dulce" is invented, or is it a typo?

Thirdly I would contend that the line break after "est" is brilliant. Re-read it. The lie is separated from the cause... the penultimate line identifies "the old lie" as "Dulce et decorum est"; Owens then completes the quotation in the final line.

But by placing the line break, as he does, after "est," he's saying in a war poem "It's always a lie to say 'it's sweat and right' when you're talking about death." It's clear from the poem that it's death in war, specifically by gas, that he's talking about - but death itself is made more prominent by pushing "to die for your country" (pro patria mori) to the end.

Paradoxically, pro patria mori, in the sense of the whole of the poem, is greatly strengthened by the placement. To title the poem "It is Sweet and Right" rather than "To Die for Country" lends the whole a haunting irony made all the more bitter by the division of the two phrases.

At least thass what I think, but I had no jesuits to guide me :)

I wonder if they have these same discussions on football message boards in say....Tampa Bay or Detroit? :)
 
Florio just posted an article saying that it would be a bad idea for Brady to sue for defamation. :(

It's really a decision that only Brady can make. Who knows what he wants to hide from public release (I don't mean anything saying he cheated, I just mean the everyday personal correspondences of a famous man married to a famous woman).

I sure would pay real money to have real discovery conducted against the league office. Maybe the dorito dinks will file suit?
 
Florio just posted an article saying that it would be a bad idea for Brady to sue for defamation. :(

That shouldn't really come as a surprise. The odds of Brady even having his case heard, let alone winning, were always quite low.

It shouldn't prevent him from using it as leverage, however. Of course, who knows if the NFL would believe him or not?
 
I wonder if it's too late to get this case moved to judge judy.
 
I wonder if they have these same discussions on football message boards in say....Tampa Bay or Detroit? :)

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Yet in the appeals he stated that Brady did cooperate. How is it now that he "obstructed justice"? I'd love to see what Kessler said about that. Lying *******.
...and Wells criticizedcNally for changing his story?

They have meds for this kind of thing.
 
I'm afraid that Goodell has taken his cue from Horace on this one:

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

He is "all in" and ready to go down with the ship.


PatsFans blog is getting very erudite, quoting Voltaire Cato and Horace . I feel de minimus for the WC Fields comment on little girls drinking water...
 
Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 7h7 hours ago
Andrew Brandt retweeted Paul D. Anderson

Defending the NFL: Paul, Weiss law firm (home of Ted Wells)..

Andrew Brandt added,

Paul D. Anderson @PaulD_Anderson
Those players appealing the #NFL Concussion Settlement are required to submit their opening briefs today. #CTE
 
Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt 7h7 hours ago
Andrew Brandt retweeted Paul D. Anderson

Defending the NFL: Paul, Weiss law firm (home of Ted Wells)..

Andrew Brandt added,

Paul D. Anderson @PaulD_Anderson
Those players appealing the #NFL Concussion Settlement are required to submit their opening briefs today. #CTE

So the NFL is currently in court for Deflategate, contempt of court re: Peterson, and some former players re: concussion settlements.

Sounds like some great leadership over on Park Ave.
 
I'm afraid that, for me, Robert Kraft's defining moment, despite all that he has done to build this Franchise from a laughingstock, will be his backing down in May because he failed to realize that the situation called for him to "become the enemy of the rest of...[the Owners]."

...

We're still waiting to see whether that was more than words, Mr. Kraft. Not much from the Owners' Box so far, I'm afraid.

I strongly disagree. Not appealing an unwinnable case is hardly a defining moment (despite the loud lamentations of Patriots fans of such a "traitorous" decision).

The defining moment is Kraft standing up before the world and saying he was wrong to put his trust in the Commissioner. THAT declaration was the first public step to change the way the NFL does business with its players and its teams.

I was wrong when I surmised that Kraft would be able to bring action on this issue at the 8/11 owner's meeting. Whether it was not having the time to address this issue in a special 1-day meeting for the move to LA or not having the support of the other owners, I don't know. But I remain convinced that Kraft is working behind the scenes (where he does his best and most effective work) to right the wrongs of the NFL.

This is the advantage of being an owner - they ultimately control the fate of the Commissioner if they can just get agreement amongst themselves on what the person in that position needs to be doing.

This was never going to be about a lawsuit by Kraft; that's not how Kraft works nor is there much chance of success in any lawsuit. This is all about changing a power-mad Commissioner. The longer this legal challenge goes on and the NFL is defined by their totalitarian legal arguments, the greater chance that other NFL owners will see that they are reaping what they sowed in Goodell and will demand a change.

Ultimate victory will be ours -but not by a scorched earth policy. And it won't be just by words, either. But this will take time. I know that patience is a slim commodity in this world of instant communications and expectations. But patience, as shown by Brady, the NFLPA and their legal team, eventually not just wins but demolishes the opposition as we are seeing. (We haven't seen the judges ruling yet, but how can you not be confident given their legal briefs and arguments.)

Kraft will be remembered not only for fostering peace between the players and owners during their labor negotiations, but also for battling the worst commissioner of our lifetime - and winning. Victory is ours - but it won't come overnight.
 
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