McCann thinks this is total war

PatsWickedPissah said:

I saw the smiley face

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So did I, but there are smiley faces, and then there are OTG (who, in reality, I am a big fan of) smiley faces

Fencer said:

Clever wording, meant to be misinterpreted.

McNally demanded cash and clothing from Jastremski. (In jest, but the NFL "found" otherwise.) He also demanded autographed items from Brady. Therefore, he demanded cash, clothing, and autographed items from Brady.

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I don't get it, I don't see any evidence McNally talked to Brady let alone demanded anything. The text wasn't about Brady, nor did it refer to Brady. Claiming there is evidence of such is not clever, it's just a lie.

Bobsyouruncle said:

I don't get it, I don't see any evidence McNally talked to Brady let alone demanded anything. The text wasn't about Brady, nor did it refer to Brady. Claiming there is evidence of such is not clever, it's just a lie.

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You assume evidence as in meaningful evidence. Remember, this is the same Roger Goodell who considers a joke about "I prefer the deflated ball" to be evidence of Brady's guilt.

Goodell = true believer, crusader

Deus Irae said:

You assume evidence as in meaningful evidence. Remember, this is the same Roger Goodell who considers a joke about "I prefer the deflated ball" to be evidence of Brady's guilt.

Goodell = true believer, crusader

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I suppose, my guess is they meant to say there's evidence McNally received gifts from Brady, as opposed to McNally demanded gifts from Brady. Maybe not, at this point I'm not sure the NFL can tell the difference between the stuff they made up and the stuff that happenned.

Bobsyouruncle said:

I suppose, my guess is they meant to say there's evidence McNally received gifts from Brady, as opposed to McNally demanded gifts from Brady. Maybe not, at this point I'm not sure the NFL can tell the difference between the stuff they made up and the stuff that happenned.

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They can't.

The fact of the matter is, McNally received gifts from Brady. He received gifts from EVERYONE IN THE LOCKER ROOM too. Why aren't they all suspended?

Bobsyouruncle said:

I don't get it, I don't see any evidence McNally talked to Brady let alone demanded anything. The text wasn't about Brady, nor did it refer to Brady. Claiming there is evidence of such is not clever, it's just a lie.

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But that's my point. There are two possible interpretations of the clause:

1. The damning-but-false one that most people would interpret it to mean.
2. The alternate one I suggested.

zydecochris said:

Being boiled in oil doesn't sound too pleasant, sorry about the Latin quote without explanation. It was meant as a bit of an inside joke for history buffs.

At the risk of putting everyone to sleep, Rome fought wars with Carthage from 264 to 146 BC. Rome was terrorized by the great Carthaginian general Hannibal, but Rome eventually was victorious, burnt Carthage to the ground, and salted the plains so that nothing would ever grow there again.

During these wars, the great Roman Senator Cato the Elder would end every single speech (no matter what the subject) with "Cathargo delenda est", which means "Carthage must be destroyed." My weak attempt at humor was that Goodell started every meeting by uttering "amans patriae delenda est", which means "the Patriots must be destroyed".

There, hopefully I have now escaped my boiling oil fate. If nothing else, perhaps it helped put people to sleep for their afternoon nap.

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Oh, that was said with Love, Brother Zyde ~ a big Fan of yours, as well!! ~ No Oil for you!!

And I am quite familiar with the 3 Punic Wars ~ or the 3 Roman Wars, from the Phoenician Perspective ~ and with Cato the Elder's Pontificating, and above all with Brother Hannibal's Magnificence.

I still can't believe that the Author ~ Brother Hannibal ~ of the one of the most phenomenal Strategic Moves in History ~ The Crossing of the Alps ~ and perhaps the most brilliantly sensational Tactical Move in History ~ The Battle of Cannae ~ managed to lose that War. And it still pisses me off!!

By the way: I cannot mention Cannae without mentioning our own General Daniel Morgan's Magnificence ~ he and General Nathanael Greene were infinitely General George Washington's Superiors and we owe far more to both of them ~ in recreating that glorious Victory...during the Revolutionary War.

Off The Grid said:

Oh, that was said with Love, Brother Zyde ~ a big Fan of yours, as well!! ~ No Oil for you!!

And I am quite familiar with the 3 Punic Wars ~ or the 3 Roman Wars, from the Phoenician Perspective ~ and with Cato the Elder's Pontificating, and above all with Brother Hannibal's Magnificence.

I still can't believe that the Author ~ Brother Hannibal ~ of the one of the most phenomenal Strategic Moves in History ~ The Crossing of the Alps ~ and perhaps the most brilliantly sensational Tactical Move in History ~ The Battle of Cannae ~ managed to lose that War. And it still pisses me off!!

By the way: I cannot mention Cannae without mentioning our own General Daniel Morgan's Magnificence ~ he and General Nathanael Greene were infinitely General George Washington's Superiors and we owe far more to both of them ~ in recreating that glorious Victory...during the Revolutionary War.

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Damn you Grid! Damn you!

I'm now back to Googling.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

Steph seems to agree. PA is bringing out the guns!

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 13m13 minutes ago
The NFLPA gets VERY REAL from the start. Dissecting w/specificity how other side isn't just wrong but doing badness.



Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 1m1 minute agoWhen 1 lawyer accurately shows judge why other lawyer misrepresents law & facts, that's kinda a big deal thing.

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One fan replied via Twitter on Patsfans arrogance. Screw that loser...we're fans of the greatest QB in NFL* history.

So we can't be arrogant!

Great analogy.

Stephanie Stradley‏@StephStradley
.@Watooosh I don't think #Deflategate is a part of some cagey NFL plan. A few interested parties started a train with no engineer driving it

What I find puzzling is that the owners seem to have their heads in the sand while their commissioner basically gets called a fraud and a lier in the NFLPA report.

Patstopia said:

I hate all this lawyer BS. They should resolve this in the Thunderdome! Two men enter, one man leaves!

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Spooky, I just watched that last night.

Deus Irae said:

....this is the same Roger Goodell who considers a joke about "I prefer the deflated ball" to be evidence of Brady's guilt.

Goodell = true believer, crusader

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He probably thinks that the "Dorito ****s" have corn chip penises.

Tony2046 said:

Great analogy.

Stephanie Stradley‏@StephStradley
.@Watooosh I don't think #Deflategate is a part of some cagey NFL plan. A few interested parties started a train with no engineer driving it

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Hmmm, now who would that be, and what franchises are they looking to help succeed at the Pats' expense?

That's right Grid....Nathaniel Greene...the genius from Coventry RHODE ISLAND....and forebear of one particular guerrilla warfare tactician , Joe "Gut Goodell" Kerr...

Roger Goodell better NEVER EVER come anywhere near the state of RI.

PatsFanSince74 said:

I'm afraid that Goodell has taken his cue from Horace on this one:

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

He is "all in" and ready to go down with the ship.

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As did Wilfred Owen

http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html

I'm afraid Goodell will find in his quest more similarity to Owen's poem than to Horace's exhortation.

For football fans you guys are wicked smaht, by the way.

PatsFanInVa said:

As did Wilfred Owen

http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html

I'm afraid Goodell will find in his quest more similarity to Owen's poem than to Horace's exhortation.

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I gave you a "Like" for that, but Owen butchers Horace's poetry. The words were not "the first words of a Latin saying," but rather a line of poetry that scans into iambic pentameter when read properly" "Dulc-et-decor-est-pro-patria-mori."

OK. Blame the Jesuits that I know that.

Off The Grid said:

Oh, that was said with Love, Brother Zyde ~ a big Fan of yours, as well!! ~ No Oil for you!!

And I am quite familiar with the 3 Punic Wars ~ or the 3 Roman Wars, from the Phoenician Perspective ~ and with Cato the Elder's Pontificating, and above all with Brother Hannibal's Magnificence.

I still can't believe that the Author ~ Brother Hannibal ~ of the one of the most phenomenal Strategic Moves in History ~ The Crossing of the Alps ~ and perhaps the most brilliantly sensational Tactical Move in History ~ The Battle of Cannae ~ managed to lose that War. And it still pisses me off!!

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He lost all the elephants though.

Still, let's play counterfactuals. Hannibal wins. Carthage replaces Rome in Western history. Semites rather than Italians rule the Mediterranean, but not the good kinds around today. Carthage favors child sacrifice like their Phoenician spiritual kinsfolk. Carthaginian rule is rejected where Roman rule was so often accepted, because you did not become a citizen of the extended "world city" Carthage; if a Western empire rises, it is from elsewhere.

Rather than a bogeyman - a threat that never came to pass - Hannibal is remembered as a despised tyrant in the West. Or, if he's to be believed - "I did not come to make war on the Italians, but to aid the Italians against Rome" - there is not Carthaginian Empire from the outset.

The upshot is, regardless of whether Christianity or Islam ever come into being, one thing is certain: nobody invents the Barcalounger.

Daniel Wallach has ripped the NFL's case apart on his Twitter:

Daniel Wallach ‏@WALLACHLEGAL 2h2 hours ago
Case-law cited by NFL that Goodell has discretion to reject prior rulings as law of shop ignores that he was adverse party in prior cases

Daniel Wallach ‏@WALLACHLEGAL 8h8 hours ago
Winning argument for Brady? CA2: Arbitrator fails to draw from CBA essence when he bases award on policy outside CBA