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After another really bad day for Goodell and the League, do anyone still buy the silly BS storyline that the 31 other owners are on board with how Goodell is handling this and are more behind him than ever? Do people still believe the storyline that if Goodell loses in court and Judge Berman reverses the 4 game suspension all he has to do is say "I tried and the judge overturned me" and he will be getting high fives from the owners?

Over the last two weeks, the tide has turned (not as some here would like to think though) and this whole situation has gone from a question of whether Brady is guilty or not and how he should be punished to whether the NFL has a kangaroo court and whether Goodell is just power mad. I still don't know if national dialog has really changed on Brady's guilt or innocence, but the spotlight is now shining on Goodell and his process and Brady has become actually become a supporting cast in this drama.

In the last two weeks, we have found that Goodell lied about Brady's testimony, the League tried to bury the appeal transcript, a Federal judge ripped apart the Wells report and whether there is a shred of evidence against Brady, senior members of the NFL executive staff came off looking like absolute idiots at the appeal including Goodell, Goodell gets killed in the media for not answering the question of why they didn't correst the Mortensen report of 2 PSI, and Ted Wells gets sued for defamation. I can't see the owners being happy about this even if they want Brady and the Pats to pay.

Just like everything Goodell touches, every controversy turns into a case where everyone loses and look bad. This is something that should have been done in a week or two. It has dragged on for seven months and no one has been immune from being dragged through the mud including Goodell and Ted Wells. I can't remember who said it, but he said that Goodell's job is to diffuse controversy, not create it. Goodell has successfully turned an equipment violation into the Black Sox scandal where no one is safe from being looked bad.
 
Just like everything Goodell touches, every controversy turns into a case where everyone loses and look bad. This is something that should have been done in a week or two. It has dragged on for seven months and no one has been immune from being dragged through the mud including Goodell and Ted Wells. I can't remember who said it, but he said that Goodell's job is to diffuse controversy, not create it. Goodell has successfully turned an equipment violation into the Black Sox scandal where no one is safe from being looked bad.[/QUOTE]

Goodell has the "reverse Midas touch" that has turned this into a trip down the rabbit hole.

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After Berman demolished the NFL's case yesterday and his threat that this could drag on for two years if they don't settle, I think that whichever of the owners who might have still been showing Roger a little love are giving him an earful today.
 
After another really bad day for Goodell and the League, do anyone still buy the silly BS storyline that the 31 other owners are on board with how Goodell is handling this and are more behind him than ever? Do people still believe the storyline that if Goodell loses in court and Judge Berman reverses the 4 game suspension all he has to do is say "I tried and the judge overturned me" and he will be getting high fives from the owners?

Over the last two weeks, the tide has turned (not as some here would like to think though) and this whole situation has gone from a question of whether Brady is guilty or not and how he should be punished to whether the NFL has a kangaroo court and whether Goodell is just power mad. I still don't know if national dialog has really changed on Brady's guilt or innocence, but the spotlight is now shining on Goodell and his process and Brady has become actually become a supporting cast in this drama.

In the last two weeks, we have found that Goodell lied about Brady's testimony, the League tried to bury the appeal transcript, a Federal judge ripped apart the Wells report and whether there is a shred of evidence against Brady, senior members of the NFL executive staff came off looking like absolute idiots at the appeal including Goodell, Goodell gets killed in the media for not answering the question of why they didn't correst the Mortensen report of 2 PSI, and Ted Wells gets sued for defamation. I can't see the owners being happy about this even if they want Brady and the Pats to pay.

Just like everything Goodell touches, every controversy turns into a case where everyone loses and look bad. This is something that should have been done in a week or two. It has dragged on for seven months and no one has been immune from being dragged through the mud including Goodell and Ted Wells. I can't remember who said it, but he said that Goodell's job is to diffuse controversy, not create it. Goodell has successfully turned an equipment violation into the Black Sox scandal where no one is safe from being looked bad.


I find something curious in the latest news reports I have read or heard in the last 24 hours and do not know what to make of it. ESPN has had a couple of shows questioning Rogers decisions. Mike and Mike discussed it this morning. Sal P discussed it yesterday. All of it sounds somewhat anti-Goodell reporting.

Did ESPN get a green light from someone? Is this another sign that the owners are growing tired of Roger?

Not sure.
 
This is something that should have been done in a week or two.

Hell, all the NFL had to do after the Colts warned them about deflated balls was have a member of their gameday ops team (Kensil?) stay with McNally once he took possession of the balls. No deflation, no scandal, no money spent, no black eye for the league, no court case. But no, they had to play "gotcha" with the Pats and BB, integrity be damned. God help the owners when this CBA is up, because the players union will be out for blood because of this commissioner. They made the bed, now they'll sleep in it.
 
Goodell really needs some type of job/life coach to work through these things. He has inserted himself and thinks he either is the NFL or bigger than the NFL. Preseason games are taking place and the media should be talking about teams and play on the field. Goodell's job is to sell the product and he, in his infinite ego, has been too much of too many stories.

The job of commission needs to be much more subtle and be able to work through back channels and only be at the forefront on occasions. Whatever benefit Goodell brings to the table, I'm sure the owners can find in other qualified individuals who have the sense to put the product, and even integrity to manage situations. Goodell only appears to have 1 tool and that is the "Hammer" and he feels to compulsion to vet that in the public arena.
 
I would not be so quick to say this is the end of Goodell. He has survived the last year and continues to bring money to the NFL. He may be hard to oust.

I certainly believe he should be given his walking papers, but it takes something like 26 owners to vote him out...
 
I would not be so quick to say this is the end of Goodell. He has survived the last year and continues to bring money to the NFL. He may be hard to oust.

I certainly believe he should be given his walking papers, but it takes something like 26 owners to vote him out...
I think it's 24 (75%).

And, @Rob0729, Bill Simmons tweeted that thing about it being the commissioner's job to avoid something like this.
Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons Aug 5
Question: If you're a sports commissioner, isn't it your ENTIRE JOB to prevent something like this DeflateGate fiasco from happening?
As someone in this thread said, all the NFL had to do was let the Pats know about the Colts' concern before the game and make sure everything was up to snuff. Instead, they let an entire half of a Championship Game be played with possibly altered footballs, maybe giving NE an advantage. Why? Because they wanted to catch them doing something wrong and are now too deep in it to back out.
 
I would not be so quick to say this is the end of Goodell. He has survived the last year and continues to bring money to the NFL. He may be hard to oust.

I certainly believe he should be given his walking papers, but it takes something like 26 owners to vote him out...

It isn't the end of him. It is another nail in his coffin. Unless Judge Berman makes him unseal the work products of the Wells Report and it exposes the sham, he will survive it. But he is losing the owners yet again.

And this "Goodell brings in money" is such a sham argument. A trained monkey could be just as successful.
 
The question is whether for the first time 24/32 owners care enough to do something about it. We are not there yet. Any outcome to the cheating allegations in which the Patriots fork over a #1 draft pick, #4 draft pick, $1M, and additional penalties to Brady (even if just a fine) is a win for Goodell/NFL.
 
There may be a couple that question his handling of this situation but there are almost certainly more than a few who are egging him on because that's the only hope they have that their mediocre organizations can somehow become competitive.
Let's face it, from the very beginning this was destined to be a black eye on the face of the NFL, it is the worst form of publicity and it attacks the very person who has done more to keep the league in a positive light than probably any other player.
This is a 3rd grade recess bullying that has found its way to federal court and dominates headlines nationally. If the owners had one iota of a clue they'd see that this will be a tremendously damaging action by a bunch of spoiled brats on Park Ave. but, because their world is so isolated from the world that their fans live in, they have allowed Goodell to run amuck. Just think how much more successful the NFL could have been without Goodell.
 
I would imagine that many of the NFL owners are getting bad/different/biased information from the NFL on how the case is progressing. The NFL's role here is a bit like yours when filing your weekly progress report with your boss: a lot of BS. Some of them may have independent information sources but I bet some of them are getting snowed and think everything is going swimmingly. And perhaps it is, its hard to say until the gavel actually falls.
 
It isn't the end of him. It is another nail in his coffin. Unless Judge Berman makes him unseal the work products of the Wells Report and it exposes the sham, he will survive it. But he is losing the owners yet again.

And this "Goodell brings in money" is such a sham argument. A trained monkey could be just as successful.

Unless Goodell was the one who trained the monkey, then all bets are off.
 
I would imagine that many of the NFL owners are getting bad/different/biased information from the NFL on how the case is progressing. The NFL's role here is a bit like yours when filing your weekly progress report with your boss: a lot of BS. Some of them may have independent information sources but I bet some of them are getting snowed and think everything is going swimmingly. And perhaps it is, its hard to say until the gavel actually falls.


You don't think owners read newspapers, watch TV, or look at the Internet? I don't care what Goodell is telling them in private, he is getting killed in the press and in court yesterday and the owners see that.
 
Somethings came out that I have been saying for sometime now 1) the judge said he didn't believe anything would happen to the football without the QB knowing about it. 2) Kessler admitted Brady was getting advise from his agent Lee and Patriots lawyers when he went to see Ted Wells and Brady got bad advise about cooperating and his phone. I have said the same re: advise or Brady on his own was stupid. I think these are good things to come out, because it was admitted no smoking gun re: Brady's involvement and knowing (if) has never been punished before, such as doping by another player. Also it was great that the Judge didn't find the Wells report to be an independent report.
 
The question is whether for the first time 24/32 owners care enough to do something about it. We are not there yet. Any outcome to the cheating allegations in which the Patriots fork over a #1 draft pick, #4 draft pick, $1M, and additional penalties to Brady (even if just a fine) is a win for Goodell/NFL.

I am encouraged by the fact that the court is discussing the merits of the case against Brady. The more it looks like the league is punishing an innocent person to advance an agenda, the worse it's going to be for them.
Do the owners really want to turn the sport into "reality TV"?
 
I find something curious in the latest news reports I have read or heard in the last 24 hours and do not know what to make of it. ESPN has had a couple of shows questioning Rogers decisions. Mike and Mike discussed it this morning. Sal P discussed it yesterday. All of it sounds somewhat anti-Goodell reporting.

Did ESPN get a green light from someone? Is this another sign that the owners are growing tired of Roger?

Not sure.
I spent a lot of time talking to the "real" media yesterday at the courthouse. the only mediots who think the NFL is still credible are working for HSPN and the NFL Network and SI and some of the tabloids (and apparently the Globule). But when they actually have to mingle with heavy hitters from ABC (ABC's piece on the national news last night was devastating to the NFL), AP (which thinks it's a railroad job) and other outlets who report "real news" and who think this nonsense is a waste of their time and the NFL is full of **** and get an earful about that for a day or two, they start to realize that maybe they ought to change their tune or be seen for the hacks they are.
 
nd this "Goodell brings in money" is such a sham argument. A trained monkey could be just as successful.

Could actually be more successful
 
You don't think owners read newspapers, watch TV, or look at the Internet? I don't care what Goodell is telling them in private, he is getting killed in the press and in court yesterday and the owners see that.

I'm sure most (but not all *cough*Mark Davis*cough*) do. The question is, which news sources are they reading. Maybe they think ESPN has it right and the rest is liberal, union loving garbage. There are many ways to lie to oneself. And until the gavel falls, no one, including the members of this board, knows how this will play out.
 
Anyone else want to see a poll? How many think:

Goodell is getting really bad legal advice?

vs.

Goodell is ignoring good or at least decent legal advice?
 
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