Official Brady vs. NFL Federal Court 8/12 Thread (LIVE UPDATES)

Chiuba E. Obele said:

Mike Lynch‏@LynchieWCVB

It's 4:12 pm Brady and Goodell still inside with Judge Berman. How do we read that?

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Goodell is joining a fraternity:

ANGR89 said:

We've heard about how Brady looked......what about Rodger?

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Goodell is on the left. This is an artist's depiction in judge's chambers after today's hearing.

DaBruinz said:

For the point of that article, a hearing officer IS an arbitrator.. And the hearing officer is supposed to be determined with consultation from the Executive Director of the NFLPA. Just like the E.D. is also supposed to be consulted in advance of any penalty being assigned.

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Actually, 46 doesn't require consultation for purposes of 1(a), only 1(b). Plus, I doubt they defined "consultation" anywhere in the CBA - simple notification by the NFL could be taken as consulting.

I know how I want all this to turn out, and I'm trying to reconcile with what probably will happen, but I'm also trying to find all possible legal surprises so that I don't end up being blindsided.

woolster22 said:

Look at the media pukes running with the stats, it's about all the nfl has left at this point.

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A wise man once said, "Stats are for losers."

DaBruinz said:

What is absurd is your continuation with some ridiculous idea that Berman's questions didn't show just how flimsy the NFL's case was. Go waste someone else's time and not ours.

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So you speak for Patsfans.com. Get out of here.

Talk about megalomania.

Zeus said:

Assuming this is true, two possibilities, not mutually exclusive:

1. Judge Berman is not letting the parties leave.
2. We're getting close to Endgame.

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Nah, Berman is on our side and he's going to force Goodell to miss his plane to MN to see Doty tomorrow.

Hope this is right on the mark.

Michael McCann ‏@McCannSportsLaw

If today was the 1st quarter in Tom Brady v. NFL, Brady might actually get some rest in the 4th. A good day for him.

https://twitter.com/McCannSportsLaw/status/631508298487988224

Tunescribe said:

Goodell is on the left. This is an artist's depiction in judge's chambers after today's hearing.

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Interesting take. Brady looks a lot like Rob McElhenney.

karguy85 said:

Even if Berman is considering the actual substance of the Wells Report (which many of us lawyer's did not think he would do based on this being a CBA process issue), if he does consider it, it doesn't matter whether he thinks Brady is lying or not, or whether Brady is lying or not. All that matters is whether there is evidence that Brady actually committed the act, which I posit there isn't evidence of.

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No, it really does matter whether he believes it is his jurisdiction to decide on football matters. The fact that he is obviously reading outside the Wells report to Brady's press conference means he is taking info from everywhere. It is definitely a good sign that he is interrogating the Wells report at all. But at the end of the day, if he feels that there was human deflation and lying, he may just elect to punt.

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Goodell is on the left. This is an artist's depiction in judge's chambers after today's hearing.

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satan looks like a badass Id rather follow him

@NFLonFOX #BradySketch

upstater1 said:

No, it really does matter whether he believes it is his jurisdiction to decide on football matters. The fact that he is obviously reading outside the Wells report to Brady's press conference means he is taking info from everywhere. It is definitely a good sign that he is interrogating the Wells report at all. But at the end of the day, if he feels that there was human deflation and lying, he may just elect to punt.

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That's certainly possible. I think that his ultimate decision could be based on whether he thinks there is evidence of wrongdoing in the wells report and have his clerks craft an opinion that vacates (or confirms) the suspension based on CBA process law. Based on the way the questioning went I would think he was leaning more towards the NFLPA/Brady side than NFL side, but obviously we can't be sure.

The other thing that people should realize is that this is the NFL is not a court of law and Double Jeopardy doesn't exist. It wouldn't surprise me if the ****s came back with different charges/punishment even if Brady gets cleared. They're really bizarrely married to this and seem to want to stick it to Brady no matter how flimsy the evidence is.

Brady should sue the artist for defamation before all else. Hearing his sponsorship has dropped 75% since the picture was released.

FirstAndGoal said:

The other thing that people should realize is that this is the NFL is not a court of law and Double Jeopardy doesn't exist. It wouldn't surprise me if the ****s came back with different charges/punishment even if Brady gets cleared. They're really bizarrely married to this and seem to want to stick it to Brady no matter how flimsy the evidence is.

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I doubt it. That would be a very bad look.

FirstAndGoal said:

The other thing that people should realize is that this is the NFL is not a court of law and Double Jeopardy doesn't exist. It wouldn't surprise me if the ****s came back with different charges/punishment even if Brady gets cleared. They're really bizarrely married to this and seem to want to stick it to Brady no matter how flimsy the evidence is.

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the owners would put an end to this

upstater1 said:

So you speak for Patsfans.com. Get out of here.

Talk about megalomania.

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Nope.. Never said that.. but that is typical. Over-react to something in a pathetic attempt to make the other person look bad. That is typical of people like yourself, upstarter, when you get confronted. Just like Goodell.

lol kravitz is now saying that, regardless of judge's ruling, the pats still lose 2 draft picks and that is significant in his view.

I know I'll get no sympathy, but I had a 10:00 am tee time, and then a couple of beers, so I'm finally home having to wade through 40 pages of this thread, probably 45 by the time I'm done. From what I saw on the crawl on theTV at the bar, seems like things were positive for Brady and the NFL guys were squirming under Berman's questioning.

I know it's been repeated that it's the process that will be looked at here, but isn't what the punishment is based on also part of the process? I think the judge does have to defer to the NFL as far as findings of fact (I don't think he can question the basis of "more likely than not" "generally aware"), but he can definitely question some of the leaps the league has made. Otherwise, what's to prevent management from bringing charges and handing down punishment without any evidence to support?