NFLPA files motion to vacate

VectorPrime · Aug 8, 2015

I dont fu.cking understand how the NFL can blatantly get way with not only lyingbut now also changing their story. How is this legal? How is this not being called out by the judge? I know a lot of the media is calling it out but how is this even possible? I don't understand how this process works, it just seems so wrong

Kdo5 · Aug 8, 2015

VectorPrime said:
I dont fu.cking understand how the NFL can blatantly get way with not only lyingbut now also changing their story. How is this legal? How is this not being called out by the judge? I know a lot of the media is calling it out but how is this even possible? I don't understand how this process works, it just seems so wrong

It truly is surreal. I will not be an NFL fan after Brady as long as Goodell and his cronies are still around. There needs to be a major overhaul or I will be done with the sport in a matter of years. I just loathe the very notion that such injustice can be gotten away with in a federal court. Ugh

I get it...the CBA etc but man the NFL is lying, making **** up and could get away with this outrage.

VectorPrime · Aug 8, 2015

But Goodell and the league surely can't just do whatever they want with the justification that the CBA doesn't explicitly forbid them from doing it. They are literally changing their entire reasoning for punishing Brady because they realize their original reason isn't gonna fly in court. How can they retroactively change their entire case?

SVN · Aug 8, 2015

Kdo5 said:
It truly is surreal. I will not be an NFL fan after Brady as long as Goodell and his cronies are still around. There needs to be a major overhaul or I will be done with the sport in a matter of years. I just loathe the very notion that such injustice can be gotten away with in a federal court. Ugh

I get it...the CBA etc but man the NFL is lying, making **** up and could get away with this outrage.

The whole league office is a bunch of idiots. They underreacted when the ray rice situation hit. So to compensate they overreacted here. combine with the hate for the patriots and the most incompetent players like ted wells playing leading roles in this horsecrap drama, they ended up with a report which had nothing after 5 mill dollars. Everything after that has been a coverup because goodell didnt want to admit they screwed up and wanted to show that he can take a tough stand vs his buddy kraft . So there you have it cover up after coverup, him not giving up arbitration and sealing all the transcripts.
But these guys are of course idiots. I dont know why they didnt doctor the wells report to 2 psi below for the readings or give brady a 8 game suspension and then reduce it to 4 in arbitration to show goodell as a arbitrator. They cant even create a fake story without fumbling.

SVN · Aug 8, 2015

Raffi Melkonian ‏@RMFifthCircuit 1h1 hour ago
I guess the question I'd want the NFL to answer is "if this wasn't an unfair arbitration, what is? How bad does it need to be?"

Stephanie Stradley retweeted
Dan Werly ‏@WerlySportsLaw 5h5 hours ago
Strong language by Brady, but it is all so true... #sportslaw #Brady #DeflateGate

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 1h1 hour ago
@RMFifthCircuit I've been putting myself in Brady atty's shoes. And wonder, "How could Brady ever prove his innocence with this process?"

VectorPrime · Aug 8, 2015

Shouldn't the judge be looking at all this and seeing what a sham it is?

BingoBrown · Aug 8, 2015

Tony2046 said:
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Don't you love it though?

Berman says "release the files" and all hell breaks lose.

Best thing that's happened in 6 months other than the Super Bowl.

Its the only time the NFL was not in control and hopefully won't regain it.

juny · Aug 8, 2015

VectorPrime said:
Shouldn't the judge be looking at all this and seeing what a sham it is?

That is what the whole of Pats nation is hoping for.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Aug 8, 2015

It is so hard to be optimistic since we all believed Ted Wells was out there gunning down the NFL and would come out with a report that damned them and exonerated Brady. My faith in these processes has been shattered because of that blatant lie that Wells was "independent." I hope Judge Berman can restore my belief in justice.

At the very least, if he is unable to strike down the suspension, it would be nice if he would just acknowledge that the process was extremely unfair and that Goodell is abusing his power. Judges can do things like that as their opinion outside of their legal ruling.

raduray · Aug 8, 2015

VectorPrime said:
Shouldn't the judge be looking at all this and seeing what a sham it is?

He'll be looking. Hopefully, he'll see what we see. Wednesday's hearing will be interesting.

mgcolby · Aug 8, 2015

I'm struggling with many things deemed as logic by the NFL, but one really stands out to me tonight.

Goodell/NFL are now claiming that increased conversations (phone/text) between Brady and JJ is concrete evidence of a conspiracy to cover up the "crime".

To backtrack a bit, it appears that Brady and JJ had little to no phone/text contact prior to the AFCCG while they were concocting the great deflate scheme (presumably over a bag of Doritos).

So what the NFL is trying to convince the court and the world of, is that Brady and JJ were smart enough to not communicate electronically while devising the deflating scheme, when no one was watching or aware of their actions.

However, when the scheme is under investigation by the league and is front page news on EVERY news site, regardless of their content format, its THEN that Brady and JJ suddenly have a co-brainfart where they now think it is ok to use electronic communication to cover up their actions.

How does a lawyer (presumably Pash) write that in an official document and not think of this obvious point?

ctpatsfan77 · Aug 8, 2015

mgcolby said:
How does a lawyer (presumably Pash) write that in an official document and not think of this obvious point?

Because they're morons, liars, or both.

Remember that Goodell claims there was a "suggestion" that Brady claimed he never discussed the allegations with Jastremski. That is absolutely contradicted by his sworn testimony to the contrary.

SVN · Aug 8, 2015

mgcolby said:
I'm struggling with many things deemed as logic by the NFL, but one really stands out to me tonight.

Goodell/NFL are now claiming that increased conversations (phone/text) between Brady and JJ is concrete evidence of a conspiracy to cover up the "crime".

To backtrack a bit, it appears that Brady and JJ had little to no phone/text contact prior to the AFCCG while they were concocting the great deflate scheme (presumably over a bag a Doritos).

So what the NFL is trying to convince the court and the world of, is that Brady and JJ were smart enough to not communicate electronically while devising the deflating scheme, when no one was watching or aware of their actions.

However, when the scheme is under investigation by the league and is front page news on EVERY news site, regardless of their content format, its THEN that Brady and JJ suddenly have a co-brainfart where they now think it is ok to use electronic communication to cover up their actions.

How does a lawyer (presumably Pash) write that in an official document and not think of this obvious point?

Classic!. Send this to Florio. Its hilarious.

TheBostonStraggler · Aug 8, 2015

NFL Memo of Law -- Points (3) & (4): "The Appeal hearing was procedurally fair" and "The Commissioner was not evidently partial"

Correct me if I'm wrong here: Roger Goodell's argument before the court is that the process was fair because he doesn't have to be fair. Seriously, no kidding, that almost literally appear to be the NFL's argument. Their friggin argument is we don't have to be fair so that makes it fair.

Goodell before: Vincent decided the punishment. Now: I decided the punishment
Goodell before: Ted Wells is an independent (and thorough/competent) man. Now, Wells is not independent and you can't see anything he did.

So after these lies and other admitted lies, the NFL argument now is because Goodell is not obligated to be fair, everything noted above is fair. This thing has gotten so bizarre is it actually/really happening? Wow....

Sfpat · Aug 8, 2015

The NFLs argument is that it was fair because they said it was fair and they get to define what is fair

Ring 6 · Aug 8, 2015

wahwho said:
Question for those who know such things: if the NFL has now switched from 'generally aware' to 'scheming' - something that is never established in the Wells Report - does that mean there's now an opportunity to actually argue the merits of what really happened in federal court?

If the violation and rule Brady is being punished under isn't the same as it was in Vincent's letter (which I don't think follows the appeal rules anyway) and is not stated in the Wells report, that means that Goodell found the 'new information' he was asking for in the appeal and decided to enforce punishment based on that. If the basis for punishment is now coming from Goodell's appeal hearing rather than the appeal just confirming Vincent's previous punishment, does that mean the NFLPA can now argue the facts Goodell used in creating that new punishment as part of their fairness argument?

I'm pretty sure they would just short circuit this and point out that the discrepancy between Vincent's letter and what the NFL is saying is the basis of punishment now supports the idea that the process is fundamentally unfair, but I'm just wondering if the NFL opened itself up to a situation where a federal court could say Brady didn't do anything wrong rather than just that the process used to punish him wasn't legal.

The arbitrator cannot change the basis of the punishment. This is the league seeing it screwed up asking for a do ever in hindsight.

Ring 6 · Aug 8, 2015

I've read both filings and my summary is

Brady: goodell made numerous mistakes and ignored CBA, fairness and precedent

Goodell: because I said so

Gronkowski123 · Aug 8, 2015

SVN said:
Its amazing how everyone was calling brady out because "coverup is worse than the crime" but all the NFL is doing is covering up.If not for judge berman's decision to make all docs public they would be still doing false leaks

send this to ESPN/nfl network.

tuckeverlasting · Aug 8, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
I've read both filings and my summary is

Brady: goodell made numerous mistakes and ignored CBA, fairness and precedent

Goodell: because I said so

the judge has to be smarter than this, right ?

PatriotsReign · Aug 8, 2015

PATS16N0 said:
Please STFU already about the rest of the country. So sick of hearing it, A. because it's ********, and B. because the people you base that off are sub 100 IQ talking bobble heads with opinions too moronic to worry about

You're exactly right. Exactly ZERO percent of Patriots fans care about what fans from "the rest of the country" think.

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