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Seton ‏@HiMyNameIsSeton 22m22 minutes ago
Seton retweeted Michael Silver

Turns out this is yet another bogus report from the NFL. Transcript actually says the exact opposite.

Seton added,

Michael Silver @MikeSilver
Also, @judybattista said Brady team wanted record sealed as part of settlement talks. League said no bueno.


Silver threw her right under the bus too

Michael Silver ‏@MikeSilver 4m4 minutes ago
@heffsquaw10 i tweeted what Judy reported. You should be hollering at her.
 
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As I understand it: he judge can only uphold or vacate the suspension. And only base it on Goodell's conduct. He can't really get into the problems with the Wells report, Wells himself or The Ravens or Colts conduct. If the judge orders an independent arbitrator, the arbitrator puts everything back on the table. And the things that were out of bounds to the judge are very much in bounds to the arbitrator.

If the judge orders arbitration. The arbitrator can do basically everything the judge can, plus a whole lot more. :D

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Here is the sequence of events:
1) Goodell-as-commissioner imposes a 4-game suspension on Brady.
2) Brady appeals suspension.
3) Goodell-as-arbitrator, in binding arbitration, issues an arbitral award upholding the suspension Goodell-as-commissioner imposed.
4) NFL sues for a declaratory judgement to confirm the arbitral award.
5) NFLPA/Brady sues to have the arbitral award vacated.

If Berman vacates the award and does nothing else the suspension is gone and the case is over (not counting appeals to the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit). Brady misses no games, pays no fines and that's final. (Again, unless the NFL can convince the 2nd Circuit to reverse Berman).

If Berman vacates the award and orders re-arbitration we go back to step (3) above, only this time with an arbitrator "specified" by Berman. As I understand it, Berman might not and does not have to literally specify any particular arbitrator if he orders re-arbitration. He could merely tell Goodell to appoint a non-Goodell arbitrator and leave it at that. Or he might impose some conditions on who Goodell can pick. Or he could pick someone himself.

What exactly do you think a new arbitrator will have the power to do? The only thing the arbitrator will be able to do is pick a penalty for Brady -- anywhere from nothing at all to upholding the original 4-game suspension that Goodell-as-commissioner imposed. The arbitrator certainly will not be able to undo the team punishments, punish the league, Goodell, or other teams in any way. So there is zero (negative, really) advantage for Brady from re-arbitration.

So I can't see why on earth anyone would want to see re-arbitration instead of Berman simply vacating the arbitral award given by Goodell-as-arbitrator and ending the whole thing right there.
 
I agree Mort isn't the "evil" in this controversy. but, he's not innocent either (by not publicly coming forward and saying in light of the Wells report he can't stand by his sources and the tweet).

As for the rest. I was listening to local sports radio and they were talking to people and the "Brady is a cheater" mantra is still in full swing and probably will continue until the end of time. Unless, we can get access to internal NFL office documents or someone breaks rank.

I have yet to find someone, friends, who believe Brady to be guilty that done any research on their own. They just believe whatever is being repeatedly told by the media and are comfortable believing the information. Even my wife questions my judgment, and I agree that I have been far to invested in ths and I have a bias. But, I've done enough research, while attempting have a neutral perspective that I just don't see how people can see the NFL as right.
I don't doubt your observations, relo, but here's what I have found. It is true that too many people have relied solely on the mass media for their information, so I'm not surprised many still hold to the NLF line.

BUT there are 2 positive notes I can state. First is that if you take most through a step by step process, they WILL come around when they are made aware of the FACTS. Secondly, as we have seen here, every day the "mass media" is being exposed to those facts and they are spreading them to the public. More and more, voices like Stephen A and Felger are sounding increasingly discordant.

I would suggest you start this way in taking someone through the process of changing his mind. I do this by asking questions.

A. Do you believe Brady tampered with the balls and had them deflated?

They are going to say, yes. Then I ask, WHY? Then most of the time they refer to the Exponent report, or Mort's report, or cell phone destruction, etc. At THAT point I take them through the facts step by step. I point out that the Exponent report concludes they have NO conclusive evidence that the balls purposely were deflated. That even with the experiments they used. Experiments that have be found unscientific by many legitimate labs, Exponent found that the MOST deflated ball they tested was only ONE QUARTER of a pound under what would be expected. THAT was the best they could do for a Lab that historically been known to give their clients the results they want, and true science be damned.

At this point every person I've taken down that road will, at worst begin to question whether anything happened in the first place. Then I ask, IF nothing took place, why then should Brady be suspended. The best answer I get back (and I don't hear it often) is "then why did Kraft accept the penalty.

I quickly change the subject, and ask this question. Do you know the penalty for tampering with game balls? They always say no (of course they do, what fan would know something like that. ) Then I tell them that that the last time the league caught someone tampering with a ball was the Jets. The team was fined less than $10K and that was that. The player who ordered the tampering wasn't fined OR suspended, nor was the team. It's in the league policies that dictates that THAT is the punishment for ball tampering.

Then I ask, why then was Brady suspended 4 games, costing him millions and the Team fined and lost key draft picks. Doesn't that sound arbitrary and vindictive, even if you thought Brady was guilty???

By this time I have opened their mind and they will listen and absorb ALL the rest of any argument I can make. At any rate this is what I have used when I get into an argument with a fan of another team. But I warn you, one of the problems with defending Brady is that the amount of evidence in his favor is SO mountainous that you can get lost in trying to get it all out and overwhelm the person and get them defensive and they will close their minds. If you concentrate on just one issue and get them to agree with THAT point, then the rest is easier.
 
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Ya mean like from Mortensen? How's that one going getting him to be "accountable"?
Clearly you got a severe "thing" for Mortensen. Well he's not one of my favorite guys either. He eventually has to answer the question "why didn't he correct his original report when he KNEW for a fact it was inaccurate". But when I compare him to Goodell, Giardi, Pash, Welles, Stephen A, Volin etc, I see him as a lower level demon who was badly used and discarded.

Sure he should have come forward a lot earlier, but who knows what he "orders" were. The NFL offices and ESPN are linked at the hip on this entire smear campaigned. Its easy for us to demand someone risk his job. Again, my anger is focused on the perpetrators of the scam, and those who perpetuate it, even after having enough evidence to know better. (the stuff that's come out the last week) IIRC didn't Mort cpme out and hoped Brady would win his case, before some of the damning evidence came to light.

Again, Mort's on the wrong side of this, no question. His report was used to get it started, Why he never publicly retracted it is a question we all eventually need to know. But, if he's in the top 10 of my pantheon of people I want to see go down for this affair, he's at the bottom of it. But I respect your right to feel differently. I can understand it.
 
more volin lies

Terri Bey ‏@GioPontiFan 10m10 minutes ago
Terri Bey retweeted Chuck Mosca

Hey @sfujita55 Did you all give up your cell phones during the Bountygate investigation?

Terri Bey added,

Chuck Mosca @CJMosca
@chatham58 @GioPontiFan This morning on WEEI, @BenVolin said Saints players gave up their phones during Bounty-Gate investigation. True?


Scott Fujita ‏@sfujita55 6m6 minutes ago
@GioPontiFan @CJMosca @chatham58 @BenVolin Of course not. And never in a million years would I have done that.

Not to defend him, but I suspect Volin was just being numb and actually meant that the Dolphins players gave up their phones during the mess with Incognito. Wells mentions that in his testimony. I'd be curious to know what the Dolphins OL says about it. Fujita and the Saints are a different story.
 
Comment by this guy truthprofessor @PFT:

This November your air pressure light will come on in your car. You apparently can blame Tom Brady for taking air out overnight, according to the NFL, Colts fans, Ravens fans, ESPN, and legions of other Patriots haters everywhere.

That dude Brady gets around! He’s deflating tires in Australia as we speak. This must stop!

I am truthprofessor.
 
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Here is the sequence of events:
1) Goodell-as-commissioner imposes a 4-game suspension on Brady.
2) Brady appeals suspension.
3) Goodell-as-arbitrator, in binding arbitration, issues an arbitral award upholding the suspension Goodell-as-commissioner imposed.
4) NFL sues for a declaratory judgement to confirm the arbitral award.
5) NFLPA/Brady sues to have the arbitral award vacated.

If Berman vacates the award and does nothing else the suspension is gone and the case is over (not counting appeals to the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit). Brady misses no games, pays no fines and that's final. (Again, unless the NFL can convince the 2nd Circuit to reverse Berman).

If Berman vacates the award and orders re-arbitration we go back to step (3) above, only this time with an arbitrator "specified" by Berman. As I understand it, Berman might not and does not have to literally specify any particular arbitrator if he orders re-arbitration. He could merely tell Goodell to appoint a non-Goodell arbitrator and leave it at that. Or he might impose some conditions on who Goodell can pick. Or he could pick someone himself.

What exactly do you think a new arbitrator will have the power to do? The only thing the arbitrator will be able to do is pick a penalty for Brady -- anywhere from nothing at all to upholding the original 4-game suspension that Goodell-as-commissioner imposed. The arbitrator certainly will not be able to undo the team punishments, punish the league, Goodell, or other teams in any way. So there is zero (negative, really) advantage for Brady from re-arbitration.

So I can't see why on earth anyone would want to see re-arbitration instead of Berman simply vacating the arbitral award given by Goodell-as-arbitrator and ending the whole thing right there.

I realize the arbitrator cannot vacate the team penalties. And I realize an arbitrator could technically impose part (or all) of the penalty to Brady. So yes, theres risk. But I honestly don't think a neutral arbitrator would impose any suspension for Brady. Plus an arbitrator can shine a much brighter and detailed light on the NFL for a much longer time. Which may get a contingent of owners to press Goodell to revisit the team penaties and/or fire Goodell to save face (with the public).

If the judge just simply vacates the punishments it's just a very temporary bump in the road for Goodell, like the reversal of some of the individual punishments in Bountygate.

I don't just want the Brady penalties gone. I want blood. I want the league office to undergo the legal equivalent of a colonoscopy.
 
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holy krist that woman is a moron..."Yikes!", "Holy Cow!!", "Zounds!!"...yeah Judy, we get it...you want Suzyn Waldman's job...
 
Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 2h2 hours ago
Brady got a major win vs Goodell w/ unsealed appeal transcript. I wonder if TB could deliver a knockout w/ the Wells transcript from March.

somehow yee shoyldve gotten his notes out. Now with the judge ordering a gag order it might difficult.
 
Trying to be impartial, the phone stories aren't lining up.

Agreed. I'm biased to not read too much into it, but if I was interested in the truth, I'd ask more questions.

I might've misunderstood the narrative, but: if it's standard to get rid of the phones, why were 2 other phones on each side of the period in question not destroyed, per "SOP"? And, what was the reason to dispose of that ~one~ phone (it's unclear whether it's one he stepped on, or simply upgraded).

Makes me think Wells's side left it deliberately ambiguous to allow conjecture, rather than receive direct answers.
 
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COMMISSIONER GOODELL: Are you saying 24 "warmed" or "warned"?
MR. KESSLER: "Warm."
COMMISSIONER GOODELL: "Warm"?
MR. KESSLER: "Warm," W-A-R-M is what the 3 article said."

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I liked this one after Wells had been yapping on for a while...

KESSLER
Q. Mr. Wells, can I break in to ask a question here. I know you would like to make a speech about your report, but I would like to ask a question.
 
Not to defend him, but I suspect Volin was just being numb and actually meant that the Dolphins players gave up their phones during the mess with Incognito. Wells mentions that in his testimony. I'd be curious to know what the Dolphins OL says about it. Fujita and the Saints are a different story.
Imagine how BB must feel about Volin. I mean hes not too happy with weathermen who only get it right about 50% of the time. Here's a guy with a lower average and he's not prognosticating the future, he's accessing information that any reasonable person with an internet connection can get right. and, he gets paid for it too.
 
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