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Mazz once said, 'in order for a football to deflate 2 psi the temperature would have to be -11 deg F'. This was a direct result of someone forgetting use absolute pressure. People called in to correct him but he blew them off. Fricken idiot.
I remember that. He embarrassed himself and came across like an imbissel but went on one of his stupid rants an insulted the "nerds". Jerk.
 
I remember that. He embarrassed himself and came across like an imbissel but went on one of his stupid rants an insulted the "nerds". Jerk.

Who is Mazz to call anyone a nerd? He's a short, fat, bald, shrill-voiced little spaz who throws a hissy fit any time someone disagrees with him
 
Who is Mazz to call anyone a nerd? He's a short, fat, bald, shrill-voiced little spaz who throws a hissy fit any time someone disagrees with him

He really does get offended easily. It's comical.
 
I remember that. He embarrassed himself and came across like an imbissel but went on one of his stupid rants an insulted the "nerds". Jerk.
Without the nerds, he'd live in a cave and have to hunt with a club to survive.
 
Without the nerds, he'd live in a cave and have to hunt with a club to survive.

I had this conversation with my oldest daughter. She's an A+ math student but didn't want people to think she was a nerd. I showed her pictures of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc and what they invented.

She got the message.
 
Serious question - is Goodell's insistence on some penalty and/or an admission of guilt because he sees that as the only way for him to survive/save face, or does he still not understand the science and truly believes that Brady or someone did something?

As far as going forward, I don't see Goodell resigning voluntarily, and if it were up to the owners, if it does get bad enough, I think they'd prefer one quiet year with Goodell followed by his stepping down for family/health reasons. I don't think they can quickly come up with a reasonable candidate to replace him this close to the beginning of the season and I don't see anyone in the LO that would be a suitable temp. They could easily adjust his powers for that one year to ensure he's on a short leash.
 
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Need to give you props for quoting Epictetus. Epictetus is awesome.
Anyone who has not read The Enchiridion, must do so. It's very brief, but worth the time spent.
 
I had this conversation with my oldest daughter. She's an A+ math student but didn't want people to think she was a nerd. I showed her pictures of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc and what they invented.

She got the message.

"On the sixth day God saw He couldn't do it all, so He created ENGINEERS"
Author: Lois McMaster Bujold
 
But without science, there would be no doctors,engineers, musicians, super star athletes, etc.
Absolutely, but it was the engineers (even if they were called something else) who turned the science into the tools. They go hand in hand.
 
I will admit that I am a little confused. If a football is inflated and the PSI is measured, then later the PSI is measured again, the difference between the two is a loss/gain in guage pressure. Now comes the confusion part, if you are doing an experiment on paper, you have to use the absolute pressure to account for atmospheric pressure?


Here you go. (If anyone sees any errors please let me know.)

The speak about Ideal Gas Law in the Wells report which is: PV=nRT
P = Pressure
V= Volume (how big is the container (football in this case)
R = Ideal gas constant (How much energy)
n = moles of gas (air) (How much)
T = Temperature

Since V, R and n are constant in that those values will not change in solving for a football, they used a simplified version of the Law called the Gay-Lussac's Law which is:

P1/T1 = P2/T2 If you want to solve for P2 you would convert that to P1 x (T2/T1)= P2

So in the Patriots case we would use these values to solve for P2:

P1 = 12.5 (gauge reading) + 14.7 (atmospheric pressure)

Atmospheric pressure changes with altitude. Why it is important to add to the gauge reading is that in order for the football to start to inflate it would have to overcome the atm pressure to do so. So in order for you to reach 12.5 psi you would have to exert 27.2 psi of pressure inside the football. The gauge only measures the relative pressure of 12.5. So if you only used 12.5 for P1 you are not including all of the pressure that exists.

T1 = 70 deg F = 294.26 Kelvin

Fahrenheit is not an absolute temperature either. 0 degree F is not the lowest temperature in the universe. 0 Kelvin is the coldest temperature. So you can use K as an absolute temperature. It's kind of like using a measuring cup with 0 cups marked at half and negative 1 marked at bottom. If you wanted 1 cup of water you could simply think I'll just fill it up to 0 and that will be 1 cup in total but in a mathematical equation the results wouldn't work out so good.

So after knowing that you can solve for any pressure or temp.

(12.5 + 14.7) x 282.04/294.26 = 26.07 - 14.7 = 11.37 psi

Note: Once you have solved the absolute pressure of P2 you will have to subtract atmospheric pressure to get back a gauge pressure reading.
Note: 282.04 K = 48 deg F


Mazz once stated that in order for a ball to deflate 2 psi the temperature would have to be -11 psi. Here is how that happened.

12.5 x 249.26/ 294.26 = 10.6

Note: notice that atmospheric pressure was not added. Also 249.26 K = -11 deg F.
I kept the formula in the same format for demonstration purposes.
 
Who is Mazz to call anyone a nerd? He's a short, fat, bald, shrill-voiced little spaz who throws a hissy fit any time someone disagrees with him


Somebody get Mazz a pocket protector.
 
Who is Mazz to call anyone a nerd? He's a short, fat, bald, shrill-voiced little spaz who throws a hissy fit any time someone disagrees with him

WHAT ABOUT THE TEXT MESAGES MIKE!!!
 
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