The "Brady did a little bit wrong" crowd

Fencer said:

Of course I said yes. Tom Brady has been the starting QB of the New England Patriots since 2001. Therefore, he has been under orders to lie since at least 2001.

As for you calling me a liar -- you're a lousy excuse for a brainlessly dishonest imitation of a human being. Please go crawl back into your sewer.

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Do you feel you weren't lying when you said you didn't call Brady a liar, or are you lying now when you said you did.

As far as the rest of the comments, thanks for showing everyone your character.

AndyJohnson said:

. Calling Tom Brady a liar, however, is unacceptable, and that is what he did.

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No, I didn't, because that has a different connotation from what I said, you putridly dishonest clown.

AndyJohnson said:

Do you feel you weren't lying when you said you didn't call Brady a liar, or are you lying now when you said you did.

As far as the rest of the comments, thanks for showing everyone your character.

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I think we've covered it quite adequately.

Fencer said:

No, I didn't, because that has a different connotation from what I said, you putridly dishonest clown.

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did tom Brady consistently lie? Yes

There is no connotation confusion there.

Fencer said:

I think we've covered it quite adequately.

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I know I have. Your childish personal insults at me, seem to indicate you know that but are not mature enough to admit it.

AndyJohnson said:

Do you feel you weren't lying when you said you didn't call Brady a liar, or are you lying now when you said you did.

As far as the rest of the comments, thanks for showing everyone your character.

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Let me amend that. I don't appreciate it when you relentlessly try to sabotage a thread. I particularly don't appreciate when you do it to a thread I start. And I CERTAINLY don't appreciate you coming into a thread whose very subject is nuance, and then hijacking it by pretending nuance doesn't exist.

So by your standards, I haven't said anything harsher than "What you've been saying is untrue", even when I say that you're a foul scumbag of imbecilic misrepresentation.

AndyJohnson said:

did tom Brady consistently lie? Yes

There is no connotation confusion there.

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I still don't know why you've hijacked this thread with a relentless focus on Tom Brady's press conferences early in his career. But whatever your reason is, I'm sure it's unacceptable.

JMC00 said:

I also think there was that thing where McNally said he used a "stall" but there are only urinals in that particular bathroom.

Yep they would like you to believe no one in the history of the world has called a urinal a stall before

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Wells report says that it was a single-toilet bathroom.

Fencer said:

Let me amend that. I don't appreciate it when you relentlessly try to sabotage a thread. I particularly don't appreciate when you do to a thread I start. And I CERTAINLY don't appreciate you coming into a thread whose very subject is nuance, and then hijacking it by pretending nuance doesn't exist.

So by your standards, I haven't said anything harsher than "What you've been saying is untrue", even when I say that you're a foul scumbag of imbecilic misrepresentation.

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I did nothing to sabotage a thread. I read your comments and disagreed with them. I asked you a question because you implied Brady was lying under oath.
You said you think he was.
After that you decided to insult me for a few pages while denying you said what you clearly said.

I said nothing about nuance. You made a post implying Brady lied. rather than assume, I asked you, and you confirmed.

You are not the arbiter of what gets discussed in a thread.

As far as your continued insults that are totally against the rules of this board, I am done reading them, and will allow Ian to decide what should happen about that.

Fencer said:

I still don't know why you've hijacked this thread with a relentless focus on Tom Brady's press conferences early in his career. But whatever your reason is, I'm sure it's unacceptable.

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Nice try, there was never any comment about early in his career.

AndyJohnson said:

Nice try, there was never any comment about early in his career.

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Of course there was, by implication. I said Brady consistently lied throughout his career at press conferences and so on, and you pretended I meant something else by it.

You pretended it again and again and again and again and again.

AndyJohnson said:

will allow Ian to decide what should happen about that.

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Good plan.

I hope he bans you for being an obnoxious thread hijacker -- or just for being a poor sport, who after relentlessly exaggerating the force of what was being said in this thread, didn't like it when the same was done back to him.

Fencer said:

I still don't know why you've hijacked this thread with a relentless focus on Tom Brady's press conferences early in his career. But whatever your reason is, I'm sure it's unacceptable.

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Post number 60 shows that my question of whether you think Brady was lying was based upon your statements

• Brady's lack of recollection about PSI-related conversations and/or conversations w/ Jastremski in general when they actually happened.
• The various and contradictory stories offered about Brady's exercise of his unquestionable right to change cell phones.

THESE are the items I asked if you said Brady has been lying about, and you said..........."Yes"

Fencer said:

Of course there was, by implication. I said Brady consistently lied throughout his career at press conferences and so on, and you pretended I meant something else by it.

You pretended it again and again and again and again and again.

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another lie. Press conferences were never mentioned before you said YES he lied. Only when you backtracked, but to refresh your memory, this is your exact post that created the question of 'are you saying Brady has consistently lied'

Fencer said:

Good plan.

I hope he bans you for being an obnoxious thread hijacker -- or just for being a poor sport, who after relentlessly exaggerating the force of what was being said in this thread, didn't like it when the same was done back to him.

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We will see what he has to say.

Of course you know there is a difference between taking "YES" to a specific question as someones opinion, and writing insulting personal attacks.

Fencer said:

Good plan.

I hope he bans you for being an obnoxious thread hijacker -- or just for being a poor sport, who after relentlessly exaggerating the force of what was being said in this thread, didn't like it when the same was done back to him.

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I'll be sure to point out that you agree someone needs to be banned over this, and I'll let him chose who broke the rules.

AndyJohnson said:

I'll be sure to point out that you agree someone needs to be banned over this, and I'll let him chose who broke the rules.

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You do that.

I'm sure everybody appreciates your efforts to rehash conversations with relentless posts of screenshots from the very thread the posts are in, saving them the trouble of deciding which posts to read for themselves.

Fencer said:

You do that.

I'm sure everybody appreciates your efforts to rehash conversations with relentless posts of screenshots from the very thread the posts are in, saving them the trouble of deciding which posts to read for themselves.

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All avoidable if you didn't deny saying what you said.

Apparently I picked the wrong vintage game!

archstanton543 said:

And players get a clean slate with the League if they don't get in trouble after a after a certain amount of time has past. Let's say for the sake of argument Brady did have something to do with Spygate. That happened 8 years ago.

I wonder if in 2023, when Bob, Bill and Brady are likely gone, and the new regime does something to displease the League will they still be seen as "repeat offenders" even though both "scandals" happened a long time ago?

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Only if Goodell is still commissioner.