8/3 MMQB Peter King Firmly In Brady's Camp Against Goodell

AndyJohnson said:

Well, the point is not proving nothing happened, but proving something did.
The plethora of assumptions that you have to make to do so is ridiculous.
At the bottom of it all, is that there is no data available to conclude guilt, and that is the fault of the NFL, not Tom Brady or the Patriots.

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There was no reason to suspect guilt in the first place. The balls averaged 11.49, using the gauge the ref said he used, as expected.

I agree with your point, just expressing my disgust.

NashuaPats said:

Are you sure? Check out this list. Brady was #4, 5 spots ahead of Bernie Madoff.


http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/epic-cheating-scandals/4/

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The NFL's PR campaign was ingenious. They were able to turn 0.3 psi into a scandal that ranks higher than Bernie's Ponzi scheme.

NashuaPats said:

Are you sure? Check out this list. Brady was #4, 5 spots ahead of Bernie Madoff.


http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/epic-cheating-scandals/4/

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That's CBS News.

The poster I was responding to was referring to CBS Sports.

They are separate divisions and have completely separate websites and editorial managements.

Of course, CBS Sports has its share of haters, I just don't see any motivation from its management to be anti-Patriot in the same way ESPN's is. i.e. I don't see the same amount of fairly transparent management pressure that has been exerted on Simmons/Olberman or Mortensen to color or not correct their Patriot coverage.

In the meantime, living here in Maryland, I can report that folks down here believe Jim Nantz is in the New England Patriots PR department - - they say he sells the Pats in the same fashion he sells Papa Johns or GM on his commercials.

And, once again, there is only ONE location for the CBS Scene. Not another stadium in the NFL (or any other sport for that matter) has one.

Let's face it, they are business partners.

neuronet said:

A really interesting read, I wonder if the author posts here:
http://beantowngal.com/2015/08/03/h...rmind-behind-deflategate-framed-the-patriots/

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Merging is a bit exuberant, I'm still not even sure why this post (which I had as a separate thread) was merged here.

All I know is when we get a rapid drop in temperature here, my car tires go from 32 psi to 28 psi overnight. Any idiot that drives knows air pressure drops the colder it gets. It's called science, something the NFL appears to have never studied.

DarrylS said:

I have contended for while now what is needed is a longitudinal study of the footballs throughout the season to gauge the impact of environment and game situations on footballs..

An easy out for Goodell is to hold all penalties in abeyance until this study is completed..

But that will never happen as his mind is made up and Brady destroyed his cell phone

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I'm shocked Goodell didn't take that route too. IMHO, it was the only way for him to come out of this not looking like an inept commissioner.

GaryfromTO said:

All I know is when we get a rapid drop in temperature here, my car tires go from 32 psi to 28 psi overnight. Any idiot that drives knows air pressure drops the colder it gets. It's called science, something the NFL appears to have never studied.

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that's kind of the funny part about all this, even ppl who supposedly take up for brady will drop in stuff like 'what happens if nfl measures balls this season and thsy lose psi in the cold?' , etc
like there's actually some kind of empirical evidence needed to determine if gravity exists

ignorance in this country is saddening

another thing bugging me and the comparing with FIFA.

FIFA had a report done by Michael Garcia regarding the fraud going on within FIFA. When the report was released, Garcia complained that the report was missing loads of important information of which FIFA themselves took out.

Now we have Pash.. NFL lawyer, taking the Wells Report and editing. But Wells is obviously deeper in the NFLs pocket and not willing to cry about the changes.

Why would both organisations need to alter supposed independent reports.

borg said:

What do you think of all this Sam?

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"Post more Sam Kinison"

Occam's Razor provides the correct answer: Mortenson is much stupider than anyone realized before all this.

Times like this leave me with regret that there isn't a Will McDonough around. I often couldn't stand Will's self-serving nature and all-too-frequent unethical journalism, but the guy had a BS meter like no one in the media these days coupled with more balls than BSPN has in their entire wretched excuse for a network. He would call out Goodell and the whole clown car of a league office on stuff like this. Too bad all we have is a pantywaist like King and little Mike Florio to do the hard work needed on this.

AQPE said:

Times like this leave me with regret that there isn't a Will McDonough around. I often couldn't stand Will's self-serving nature and all-too-frequent unethical journalism, but the guy had a BS meter like no one in the media these days coupled with more balls than BSPN has in their entire wretched excuse for a network. He would call out Goodell and the whole clown car of a league office on stuff like this. Too bad all we have is a pantywaist like King and little Mike Florio to do the hard work needed on this.

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Not sure Willie could survive this day and age. Schefter has 3 cell phones.

You can count on one finger the people in this world who had threatened to beat up White Bulger AND offered a job to Whitey Bulger.

Not sure Shefter could do that...

Tony2046 said:

I'm hoping Kraft puts up a new monitor in the stadium with a simple view of a football with a gauge in it and calls it the Deflatometer. Every hot game the pressure would increase and vice versa.

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They should announce the psi of the balls on the jumbotron like they do with attendance.

Just saw this on reddit:

By the NFL's letter of the law (a.k.a. the league's constitution and bylaws), they were not allowed inside the game officials' locker room. Yet as the Wells report details (page 66), both Kensil and Vincent were overseeing, in some form, the process of football measurements inside the officials' locker room at halftime.

This shouldn't have happened based on the NFL's constitution and bylaws.

In the tampering section of the constitution and bylaws, Article IX Section 9.3 (B) reads, "No owner or person holding any interest in a member club, nor any officer, stockholder, director, or partner thereof, nor any officer or employee of the League, or a member club thereof, shall enter the dressing room of a game official."

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Supposedly it came from an article written on ESPN.com that was quickly taken down.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...onstitution-by-entering-officials-locker-room

Froob said:

Wouldn't the picks have to come back then?

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No, because this only speaks to Brady's appeal.

Kraft's appeal, on the other hand ... oh, never mind.

NashuaPats said:

He wrote "Which, apparently, science would support".... What does that mean? I don't think he's being sarcastic. This isn't a a debateable theory, this is a law. He goes on to say "if the balls don't deflate much at all". Again, I don't think he's being sarcastic. This is very basic easy to understand and easy to calculate science.

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Unfortunately, he's right and you're wrong.

High school science/the Ideal Gas Law tell us what happens at equilibrium. They don't tell us how quickly equilibrium is reached. I.e., it's inevitable that a ball of a certain volume at a certain temperature will eventually get to a certain pressure (assuming that it doesn't leak, etc.). But the simple science we usually talk about doesn't tell us how soon that will happen, and in particular not whether it will happen over the timeframe of half a football game.

rexxar said:

Just saw this on reddit:



Supposedly it came from an article written on ESPN.com that was quickly taken down.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...onstitution-by-entering-officials-locker-room

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Florio should call out ESPN for taking this article down

rexxar said:

Just saw this on reddit:



Supposedly it came from an article written on ESPN.com that was quickly taken down.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...onstitution-by-entering-officials-locker-room

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Actually, McNally's story as to why he took the balls to an outside bathroom without anybody noticing or caring is that the officials' locker room was unusually full of people (and not just officials).

This should be taken as gospel, because it fits both the narratives that he went to the bathroom to take a pee and also that he went to the bathroom to do his nasty deflation stuff that he usually did in the officials' locker room itself at a time he was alone there.

chasa said:

The issue is where the ball are inflated, and the difference in temperature to where the balls are being used.

A simple rule would be that all balls must be inflated outdoors on the day of the game to minimize the effect that the temperature has.

So say the league suspends brady, and then changes the rule about how balls get inflated, and they test them an look no balls lost psi after they were all filled outside in the same temp as the game, The league can go "see no psi loss, the patriots cheated" while completely ignoring the fact that the whole ****ing situation changed. It's BS and at this point I wouldn't put it past the league.

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Agreed. I posted something earlier to that effect, but with less clarity or detail.

I think it's comical that ignorant megaphones like Felger and his Asshat buddies try to crap on this site and those who post here. I get that it's low hanging fruit because some truly idiotic crap gets posted here but the truth of the matter, at least IMO, is that this site is loaded with knowledgeable people who can discuss a wide range of issues with real expertise. And I doubt there's another fan site out there where legal expertise and a physics degree get more attention. It's good to see some national media finally figuring out out but what they are now discussing we have been banging around for literally as long as this ordeal has gone on. Some points are days old and others have been hit on from day one. Props to many people here for raising the bar when it comes to discussion on this kind of site, whether I agree with you or not this place is well educated and versed, and it shows.

hambone1818 said:

I've been harping this point all along, when my friends (fans of other teams) argue 'why would they go after the biggest star in the league?' Because if they didn't find a scapegoat on the Pats sideline the narrative turns to 'why was this a story at all?', with people questioning the procedures in place to test footballs, the damaging (and incorrect) leaks, the clear bias against one NFL franchise.

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Goodell's people ran with something, and he backed them up. When I put it that way in one sentence, it doesn't even sound bad. The devil is in the details of what they ran with.

Also, it occurs to me that they might have flat-out mislead them about other, "everybody knows it" unpunished Pats cheating that supposedly has been going on over the years.

SVN said:

He is just quoting what he hears or maybe reads here on patsfans. He is all over the place too without anything useful. On dan patrick show he thinks nfl wants to settle but wants brady to admit guilt.
http://www.danpatrick.com/2015/08/03/albert-breer-explains-why-brady-nfl-havent-settled-yet/

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Give Breer credit for at least knowing he's in over his head on matters of law, science or logic.

Has he gotten actual facts wrong the way Sad Volin has?