Seahawks: $100M in cap space for the 1st 10

Brady6 said:

It was much deeper than it is now.

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That's because now it's pretty bad. The O line was that '13 team's biggest weakness, but they masked it up well with Wilson's mobility and Marshawn Lynch being Marshawn Lynch.

I don't mind them doing that in principle provided the top contracts are worth it. However some of their contracts I question.

If they could justify all those contracts then it be perfectly fine and just how your team works out. There are some contracts they can not justify though.

Wilson - over paid
Lynch - over paid (you don't pay a RB this much)
Wagner - over paid (you can pay a LB this much but Wagner's play does not justify it).
Graham - over paid (last year really showed off his limitations)
Chancellor - over paid (reminds me a lot of Browner... good in his role but needs specific guys around him to work)

They have a lot of big contracts that are justified though.

Sherman
Thomas
Bennet
Arvil
Wright

All of them are IMO worth their contracts.

Joey007 said:

It never had a deep offensive line

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had plenty of guys start that year

IllegalContact said:

had plenty of guys start that year

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Does not mean they were good but regardless

chasa said:

100% agree.

Jamie Collins is a grade a+ stud, hes the type of player teams are going to come after hard. good work ethic, great skills, smart. hes a corner stone type defensive player.

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Franchise tags are a beautiful thing unless Goodell is taking that away from us too.

ChrisR2223 said:

Franchise tags are a beautiful thing unless Goodell is taking that away from us too.

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franchise tags are for teams incapable of planning ahead. having jamie collins on what will probably turn out to be a 12 million dollar one year deal is not good for the salary cap.

BobDigital said:

Wilson - over paid
Lynch - over paid (you don't pay a RB this much)
Wagner - over paid (you can pay a LB this much but Wagner's play does not justify it).
Graham - over paid (last year really showed off his limitations)
Chancellor - over paid (reminds me a lot of Browner... good in his role but needs specific guys around him to work)

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Chancellor has those guys around him, though, and is probably underpaid relative to what he does for the defense (which is why he's holding out). Lynch is likely to retire after this season; he's only overpaid if he breaks down this year or if he sticks around as he breaks down. Wilson's contract is team-friendly and he's a good - not great - QB.

The Seahawks will be a very good team next year, but they're going to struggle to keep the crew together. But, like the Ravens, despite reports of their demise after the big Flacco contract, they strike me as a team that will still be in good position to contend yearly.

Joey007 said:

Does not mean they were good but regardless

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true, but they executed evenly when they needed to use backups.......which was a fair amount of the time.....that signifies depth

BobDigital said:

I don't mind them doing that in principle provided the top contracts are worth it. However some of their contracts I question.

If they could justify all those contracts then it be perfectly fine and just how your team works out. There are some contracts they can not justify though.

Wilson - over paid
Lynch - over paid (you don't pay a RB this much)
Wagner - over paid (you can pay a LB this much but Wagner's play does not justify it).
Graham - over paid (last year really showed off his limitations)
Chancellor - over paid (reminds me a lot of Browner... good in his role but needs specific guys around him to work)

They have a lot of big contracts that are justified though.

Sherman
Thomas
Bennet
Arvil
Wright

All of them are IMO worth their contracts.

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Given the current QB market, Wilson is properly paid. If anything, he might be slightly underpaid. A little high in guaranteed dollars, a little low in AAV. He's making about $2M per year more than Ryan Tannehill.

Lynch will become overpaid if he slows down at all, but for the moment he's really not. In most offenses, a RB cannot justify his pay. In that offense, he can. They don't spend money on WRs, and instead spend it on their RB and TE. That's fine.

What leads you to say that Wagner's play does not justify 4/43? The injuries? I guess I just disagree, I think he's right there with Luke Kuechy for top young ILB in the game. Kuechly, Wagner, and Hightower are the big 3. CJ Mosley will be there if he makes the expected progression off of a strong rookie year, and Bowman will be there if he makes a full recovery.

Agreed re: Graham. His height will always make him deadly in the red zone, but IMO he's just a really big, pretty good slot receiver. As long as he can be shut down right big, aggressive press corners, I won't have a very high opinion of him relative to the salary he commands.

Disagree re: Chancellor, though. He's locked in for three more years on a contract so team-friendly that he's currently holding out. $7M per year for one of the best strong safeties in the league isn't a bad deal at all.

I've never felt a certain way about any player, even Brady and Gronk (blasphemous I know) but I believe so much in Collins that I think he needs to be given a Gronk like extension. I don't see a lot if any flaws in his game. Of course he's gonna give up some (exceptional) plays like to lynch in the Super Bowl but he can do it all and he can line up anywhere on D.

BradyFTW! said:

Disagree re: Chancellor, though. He's locked in for three more years on a contract so team-friendly that he's currently holding out. $7M per year for one of the best strong safeties in the league isn't a bad deal at all.

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And the AAV doesn't tell the whole story. His cap hit right now is a very modest $5.6m and goes up by $500k next year. It's not until his contract year that it climbs noticeably, and you're likely to see a climb in the salary cap that makes it relatively unimportant anyways. He's holding out for good reason.

I don't know what this is worth, but they are spending mostly on players that they know work well in their system and can gel. I would think this would be less risky than a team who just brings a bunch of high priced FAs.

primetime said:

And the AAV doesn't tell the whole story. His cap hit right now is a very modest $5.6m and goes up by $500k next year. It's not until his contract year that it climbs noticeably, and you're likely to see a climb in the salary cap that makes it relatively unimportant anyways. He's holding out for good reason.

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Well I was going by what the article said. 5.6 is different than 7. I think that is a bit closer to what he is worth. I see him as a 5M per year player just about. I just look at the play on the field and can't help but think "yes he has things he does well but he is covered for so much". I mean he does fit in perfectly with the style of defense they play and with Thomas covering for him and Sherman locking down one side. It allows him to play to his obvious strengths.

However if you are able to put him on an island the way the Patriots did you notice a lot of things wrong with his game. I just don't believe in the theory that we need to pay player X more cause he works well with our stars. You can find someone else to work well with your stars. It might not be as good but the savings it could/would give you could likely be used to help your team overall.

Also about Wagner. I am not saying he is not very good. He is. Obviously he is a very good player. But I don't believe he is the type of LB that justifies this % of your teams cap. I don't think any LB in the NFL currently does. I think he is more in the 4/38 or 4/37. He is a guy you worry about but not a guy you build your game plan around like Sherman and Thomas are on that D IMO.

VrabelJr said:

You can already see the Seahawk's defense start to decline. They thought their Secondary was shutdown because of their DBs but in reality it was their DL that made the Secondary shutdown. Obviously Earl Thomas and Sherman are incredible players but it's a lot easier to find opportunities when the DL isn't in your face in 2 seconds.

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When I was rewatching the Superbowl I thought to myself that their DB's weren't that good in man coverage. Since I never played football I just figured I was probably incorrect. But then watching Bill Belichick breakdown of the Superbowl and BB mentions the same thing! He said their man coverage wasn't that great.

They're a good cover 3 defense but when QB and offense figures them out, they're screwed because their man coverage can't save them! The problem is very few offenses are patient enough to drive down the field against the Seahawks with 8-12 play drives. So Seahawks looks dominant until they face a capable offense.

Wheelman said:

When I was rewatching the Superbowl I thought to myself that their DB's weren't that good in man coverage. Since I never played football I just figured I was probably incorrect. But then watching Bill Belichick breakdown of the Superbowl and BB mentions the same thing! He said their man coverage wasn't that great.

They're a good cover 3 defense but when QB and offense figures them out, they're screwed because their man coverage can't save them! The problem is very few offenses are patient enough to drive down the field against the Seahawks with 8-12 play drives. So Seahawks looks dominant until they face a capable offense.

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"but but but Seahawks would have won if it wasn't for injuries blah blah blah"

Wheelman said:

When I was rewatching the Superbowl I thought to myself that their DB's weren't that good in man coverage. Since I never played football I just figured I was probably incorrect. But then watching Bill Belichick breakdown of the Superbowl and BB mentions the same thing! He said their man coverage wasn't that great.

They're a good cover 3 defense but when QB and offense figures them out, they're screwed because their man coverage can't save them! The problem is very few offenses are patient enough to drive down the field against the Seahawks with 8-12 play drives. So Seahawks looks dominant until they face a capable offense.

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Just to be fair, we should remember that Sherman, Chancellor and Thomas were all playing that SB hurt. In fact both Chancellor and Thomas have yet been cleared to play. Once Edelman broke that othe3r CB arm (his name escapes me now, Simon?) They were very thin at DB. Plus Aviril also got hurt in the SB.

100 million invested in 10 guys is very dangerous. If Wilson goes down, then Tavarius Jackson is their QB. If Lynch goes down, they could probably survive, but it would cause Wilson to run more, and then if he gets hurt, then its Tavarius without Lynch! Graham could be huge for them or he could be a giant liability in the running game. Its a big gamble they took with him. Imagine if you put Gronk or Chandler on that team, yikes!!!!

Bennett I thought was having a Tucklike SB. If they lose anymore up front, then it won't matter how good their secondary is, because nobody can cover for ever.

IF they stay healthy then they will be OK, but one injury to any of these ten guys and they could be in serious trouble. I think their lack of depth will show in Special Teams.

FreeTedWilliams said:

Just to be fair, we should remember that Sherman, Chancellor and Thomas were all playing that SB hurt. In fact both Chancellor and Thomas have yet been cleared to play. Once Edelman broke that othe3r CB arm (his name escapes me now, Simon?) They were very thin at DB. Plus Aviril also got hurt in the SB.

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Sherman got thrown at once.

Chancellor I have my suspicious on how injured he really was but he has been cleared, he participated fully in OTAs. Only reason why he isn't at training camp is because he is holding out.

JMC00 said:

Sherman got thrown at once.

Chancellor I have my suspicious on how injured he really was but he has been cleared, he participated fully in OTAs. Only reason why he isn't at training camp is because he is holding out.

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LOL for more money? They don't have anymore!

IllegalContact said:

if they lost graham, their offense would go back to being what it was last year......lynch is even more important than wilson

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Lynch i sreally a beast and i really wanna see Wilson without Lynch for few games. He ll shown his real value in those games.
I think graham is not so important. I think he was cheap option as a WR not TE. Cheaper Redzone target compared to some elite WR.

As post above and 10 guys 100mil. Ofcourse they need to have good draft, simple as that. They cut some DT Tony Mcdaniel and everyone writing bout cap casulties, Caroll said that they ve cut cause of that. He was being polite. They have young Josh or Jordan hill, luckily for us i think he was injured. Every franchiese must have good backups and youngsters who need year or two to aclimet in NFL.
Pats are very sucesfull with that.

The feeling I have gotten out of Seattle this offseason is X got paid, now Y wants to get paid... and everybody seems to be getting pretty much what they want.

The way I see it, if the cap is going up 10M a year, even if it does that every year, the 'Hawks' strategy gets them the depth money the Pats are spending now, after 4 years of cap growth. On the other hand we are looking at a snapshot. I'll be damned if I read the contract details of everybody on that team to figure out the overall strategy.