Phone broken or destroyed?

So I was listening to the weei app today on my own broken phone (screen cracked) and the host was asking why brady would destroy his phone if there was nothing incriminating on it. Now here is what brady said in his Facebook post:

"I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances."

He went on to 100% say that there is no proof anywhere on any electronic device that would show guilt:

"Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January. To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong.

To try and reconcile the record and fully cooperate with the investigation after I was disciplined in May, we turned over detailed pages of cell phone records and all of the emails that Mr. Wells requested. We even contacted the phone company to see if there was any possible way we could retrieve any/all of the actual text messages from my old phone. In short, we exhausted every possibility to give the NFL everything we could and offered to go thru the identity for every text and phone call during the relevant time."

Now I've broken plenty of phones and even though brady can throw a football perfectly I'm sure he breaks his fair share. Now the host must have read Brady's Facebook post but didn't mention it once. The app says his name is Christian Arcand.

The point is Stephen A Smith, the NFL itself and this host are saying DESTROY as if Brady took it into the garage, broke it with a hammer, sealed it in a bag and dumped it in a large body of water somewhere. It just makes me mad when people who wonder why brady hasn't defended himself ignore his own comments explaining that he broke his phone and in no way destroyed it. I heard another host repeat the word "destroy" earlier this morning. All of this is ridiculous and media members should be ashamed if they are knowingly ignoring Brady's own words which they have been begging for.

Just had to vent. Oh, and I'm gonna go get a new phone tomorrow after I further destroy and dispose of this one.

Ive worked with NASA engineering satellite software, other more secret places, and controlled the network for OMB and the White House with a yankee white and top secret. Without a federal subpoena to see your personal property based on a crime, no corporation has the right to ask for that kind of personal information.. period.. Tom did the right thing.

I would have said kiss something, if they asked, but breaking it and saying woops is fine in my book. They were idiots for asking.

From piecing this together, my assumption is that it was damaged but functional. There's no point for a guy like Brady to have a phone that's not in perfect condition, so they then completely destroyed it and he got a new one. The NFL didn't like that narrative, so they made their own.

The point is Brady just said he was replacing a broken phone with a new iPhone. But just like the mortenson report, listen for how many times from now on you hear he destroyed his phone.

I just went to the john and dropped a deuce....

I DESTROYED MY SHYT!!! I'M IN BIG TROUBLE NOW!!!

We measured that bowel movement and it was 2 pounds lighter than it should have been. I'm afraid I'll have to cut your suspenders and fine you two hundredthousandmillion pounds...

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pherein said:

Ive worked with NASA engineering satellite software, other more secret places, and controlled the network for OMB and the White House with a yankee white and top secret. Without a federal subpoena to see your personal property based on a crime, no corporation has the right to ask for that kind of personal information.. period.. Tom did the right thing.

I would have said kiss something, if they asked, but breaking it and saying woops is fine in my book. They were idiots for asking.

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well, I'm pretty sure they asked knowing what the answer would be so they could make it look like he was uncooperative.
that's more assholes than idiots

I don't post here much, but I know a lot about phones and computers and how they work. Every time I have moved to a new phone I blanked it completely -- seriously -- I had financial passwords, pictures of my kids, personal texts to my wife, crazy crap text from motorcycling and band members that would make me look like psycho. If you don't erase it completely before giving it to your kids, or a friend or whatever you are an idiot. Brady probably has better advisors than I do in this area.

Oh, and BTW -- If an employer ever required to see my personal phone I would tell them to FO and find a new employee.

If you have ever sold or disposed of a laptop, the first thing you should do is take out the hard drive and destroy it or break it to the extent that information can not be extracted or recovered from it. This is YOU by the way who most people aren't particularly interested in. This is to protect your private communications. Are you guilty of something because you got rid of the hard drive? Of course not. It's your files and no one else has a right to it.

No one else has a right to be given a chance to scandalize your off color joke sent to a good friend who knows your joking and being sarcastic. No one else has a right to sensationalize that text you wrote ranting against one of your family members when all it was, was you having a bad day. No one else has a right to see your WhatsApp message even if it just says "OK, thanks".

Again, this is YOU, not Mr. NFL QB, Celebrity, and husband to a Supermodel who the National Enquirer, ESPN, or worse the League Office would just love to get some kind of scoop on.

Despite this right, Brady, with the help of a third party - his mobile provider, gave the league a list of people he contacted with that phone and asked them to check with these people to see if they still had those messages. And despite spending multi million dollar fees on a bogus report, they thought it would be too much trouble to call 28 or so people, a good number of whom work for the league itself to see if those text messages still exist. In the weeks it took to decide how to proceed after the appeal hearing, it would have taken ONE phone call PER DAY if the league truthfully wanted to find out.

This makes me think that it's more probable than not that the league's agenda was to start a smear campaign and not to actually try to get to the bottom of any of this. This is the standard of integrity in Roger Goodell's NFL.

And what is really funny, after spending 5M or whatever for Wells, they found it impractical to chase down the 20 or so people Brady had contacted even though most of it was information they already had.

What a joke...

metrowest said:

And what is really funny, after spending 5M or whatever for Wells, they found it impractical to chase down the 20 or so people Brady had contacted even though most of it was information they already had.

What a joke...

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Dude, you need to cut them some slack. They might have had as many as 20 or 30 calls to make, and only about a month to do it. Who can expect such heavy activity to be completed on time?

Have contended from the onset that if they had Jermeski's and McNally's phone why did they need Brady's??? There were no allegations that anyone else was involved in this brouhaha.

As mentioned by someone, somewhere in this endless diatribe, Brady's phone is a "red herring" and his destruction, which he was told was ok by his legal team, is not big deal. He has a right to privacy..

The release to Steven A Smith that Brady destroyed his phone, was deliberately timed, to pave the way for what happened later that day..

metrowest said:

And what is really funny, after spending 5M or whatever for Wells, they found it impractical to chase down the 20 or so people Brady had contacted even though most of it was information they already had.

What a joke...

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No kidding. They weren't interested in the truth. They goddamn well know their case is flimsy. Why not make the effort to make it stronger people ask...

The issue is that they would have come up empty, look like fools and their story would be more flimsy.

DarrylS said:

Have contended from the onset that if they had Jermeski's and McNally's phone why did they need Brady's??? There were no allegations that anyone else was involved in this brouhaha.

As mentioned by someone, somewhere in this endless diatribe, Brady's phone is a "red herring" and his destruction, which he was told was ok by his legal team, is not big deal. He has a right to privacy..

The release to Steven A Smith that Brady destroyed his phone, was deliberately timed, to pave the way for what happened later that day..

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To be accurate they never had McNally's personal phone only text messages and call logs. And based on that they were able to convict Brady. They did not need Brady's phone to "prove" anything but RG needed it to change the narrative when the momentum was turning against him.

Brady was smart not to turn his phone over as it would have been a leakapolooza by the NFL to the media of everything and anything on the phone. Crap they even posted private text between family members in the report.

It's whole non-issue. Goodell is trying to make it look like Brady did something shady by destroying or erasing his phone.

Ever notice when you send a text the letters and words magically appear on the recipients phone.

If Wells already had McNally & Jaztremski's phone, then they had all the text messages.

Goodell is a knob.

"Ted Wells wanted to make clear during his conference call on Tuesday that he did not ask Tom Brady to hand over his cellphone.

Since the Wells Report was released last week, there has been an assumption by some that the Patriots quarterback chose not to hand over texts and emails to investigators because he didn't want them to have access to messages or information that did not pertain to the case.

Wells explained on his call that Brady was very cooperative during his interview with investigators, but Wells sought to refute the notion that Brady was asked to relinquish his privacy by giving up his phone.

"Mr. Brady, the report sets forth, he came to the interview, he answered every question, he did not refuse to answer any questions in terms of the back and forth between Mr. Brady and my team -- he was totally cooperative," Wells said. "At the same time, he refused to permit us to review electronic data from his telephone or other instruments. Most of the key evidence in this case as in most cases comes from people’s cell phones and he refused to let us review the phone.

"And I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agents I was willing to not take possession of the phone, I don’t want to see any private communications, I said, ‘You keep the phone, you give me documents that are responsive to this investigation, and I will take your word for it.’ And they still refused."

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/Wells-says-he-told-Brady-you-keep-the-phone

After the hearing and after the submission of post-hearing briefs, Mr. Brady’s certified agents offered to provide a spreadsheet that would identify all of the individuals with whom Mr. Brady had exchanged text messages during [the relevant time] period; the agents suggested that the League could contact those individuals and request production of any relevant text messages that they retained. Aside from the fact that, under Article 46, Section 2(f) of the CBA, such information could and should have been provided long before the hearing, the approach suggested in the agents’ letter — which would require tracking down numerous individuals and seeking consent from each to retrieve from their cellphones detailed information about their text message communications during the relevant period — is simply not practical.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...red-to-help-nfl-gather-missing-text-messages/

Jeezus, OJ Simpson's case was less confusing than a few PSI!

Brady in a no win situation with the phone. If he keeps the phone and refuses to turn it over and gets rid of it because it is broken, people will say he is hiding something and destroyed the evidence (which is what is happening).

If he hands over his phone and Wells finds nothing, people will say that he deleted anything relevant before handing it over and so he is hiding something.

The phone is irrelevant because text messages/emails can be deleted from the phone so if he handed it over, there is no way to find out if messages were deleted except to contact the carrier (which is what Brady did). No win for Brady with the phone.

Is it possible that Brady's team takes the next step and produces the texts from those 28 people? Get verified texts/info from the phone companies and bring it to a settlement hearing?

I don't destroy my phones when I am done with them, but when I am done with a hard drive, I demolish the thing.

XLIX said:

I don't destroy my phones when I am done with them, but when I am done with a hard drive, I demolish the thing.

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I applaud the obliteration of hard drives for everyone. I think phones should be next on your list (of devices to not let out of your control) .