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Roger Goodell has finally done it; he has overseen an investigative process which is nothing less than a vendetta against a team which believes first, foremost and always in integrity.

In reading http://wellsreportcontext.com/, it is crystal clear that the Patriots both individually and corporately could hardly have been more cooperative and dedicated to fairness and full disclosure. On the other hand, the NFL office and their lackey, Wells and team, reek of partiality, moving the goalposts, obscuring truth, leaking lies, refusing to investigate, breaking their own investigative rules and smearing anyone they wanted (apparently) without any thought that they could be held accountable for their actions.

I believe Robert Kraft has said that this must stop and must stop now.

The first step was the press conference on Wednesday where Kraft said, "I was wrong to put my faith in the league".

The second step is the updating of the Wells Report Context website with this email exchange.

I believe the third step will be the action (not just words) that many on this site are screaming far. No, not a lawsuit. But a call to the other NFL owners for a truly fair and impartial investigation into the League office and how they conduct their business that will be made at the August 11th owner's meeting. An investigation that was promised by Roger Goodell but that never happened.

You can't follow this website and this story without realizing how fundamentally unfairly the NFL office has treated the Patriots.
- from not sharing the allegations the day before the game with the Patriots to insure a fair game
- to Mike Kensil telling a Patriots' employee, "you're in big f---ing trouble" at halftime
- to the leaking of totally false information 3 days after the game
- to refusing to correct this false information despite DEMANDS of the Patriots that this be done
- to abusing the investigative process ground rules that were agreed upon to
- to refusing to investigate the League office despite this being a mandate of their mission
- to hiring Exponent, a firm known first and foremost for its willingness to bend any and all facts to fit the whims of their client
- to producing a report that is the most slanted report I've ever read in my life (by far)
- to creating new grounds to find someone guilty (generally aware???)
- to piling assumption upon assumption to reach a conclusion that it was "more probable than not" that balls were deflated by what is ultimately a tiny amount
- to accusing the Patriots of not cooperating when the Patriot organization went well above and beyond any reasonable definition of cooperation and only objected on one point when the Wells team refused to follow their own ground rules of behavior
- to accusing Tom Brady of not cooperating when he also went well above and beyond any reasonable definition of cooperation and only objected to handing over his cell phone (on the advice of lawyers) - and even would have done that had the investigators even hinted that he might be punished for not sharing his cell phone
- to Roger Goodell not handing down the penalty in violation of the CBA
- to Roger Goodell ruling in his own favor without a hearing that he did hand down the penalty
- to Roger Goodell ruling in his own favor without a hearing that he was fit to be the arbitrator
- to telling the NFLPA that they would only have 4 hours to present their appeal defense - and then publicly denying this
- to refusing to share any information about the investigation due to lawyer-client privilege
- to refusing to allow the NFLPA to call relevant witnesses (including the co-lead of the investigation!) in their defense at the appeal
- to using the "destruction" of the phone as a basis for upholding the appeal - something that is not even allowed to be considered in the appeal since it wasn't part of the evidence going into the appeal
- to smearing Tom Brady with the appeal decision headlines that he destroyed his phone knowing full well that they had been given ALL of the relevant data (and more) and had all of the relevant data when the Wells Report was first written

Of course there is more that could be added. But the point is clear - there is a cancer in the NFL offices. We recognize that that cancer starts first and foremost with Roger Goodell as he has personally overseen the process and made many of the fundamentally unfair decisions regarding the process.

This is no longer about deflating footballs. This is about having a fair and impartial process. Bob Kraft put his faith in the League office - and for quite a while, I did too. I actually had confidence as Bob Kraft did that a fair and impartial investigation would be conducted and that the Patriots would be exonerated. We couldn't have been more wrong.

Fair and impartial process. This is where the name Patriots came from. Our forefathers cringed at the unfair process (no taxation without representation) imposed by the mighty British Empire. This is why a revolution was started 240 years ago. And this is why I believe Bob Kraft has started down the path of a revolution in these past few days.

- An investigation into the NFL office MUST be conducted.
- It MUST be fair and impartial.
- When that investigation is done, the (high-level) results MUST be shared with the public.
- Those responsible for creating and enforcing processes that arbitrarily and unfairly punish teams and individuals MUST be held accountable.
- The NFL MUST apologize for any improper actions in the past.

Good luck, Robert Kraft. The hopes of Patriots nation and football fans everywhere are with you.
 
I think you have fallen into the trap so many of us have by believing this outcome will be dictated by logic, science, and fairness, when from what I can now tell none will have any bearing in the outcome. I think Kraft is truly seriously pissed off and has unleashed those within the organization who have wanted to fight back all along. Umfortunately I think the outcome in terms of the team and ownership is gong to be a confrontation between Kraft and the other owners where they demand he backs off and possibly even threaten to vote him off the island if he doesn't. And while I want Kraft to tell them to go f.,ck themselves I think the threat alone could very well cause him to once again back down. It would suck but it wouldn't surprise me.

Hopefully Kraft will tell them he won't sit there and allow the league to defame his franchise any more and demand the league front office be washed clean in return for his backing off, as only that would be worth it.
 
Hope Kraft will cowboy up but regardless you summary is a great summary.
 
Kraft lost all leverage when he accepted the penalties. He can say and probably meant it that it was for the greater good and to get it over with .But in reality he accepted his franchise cheated and his QB is involved by accepting it. If you are 100% sure about your franchise's innocence and feel that cheating accusations effect your brand and player why accept anything ? I know its easy for me to say because I dont know inner workings or lack of legal options he had but that is my opinion at least.
 
Nice Pipe dream. But it will not happen as long as other owners like Mara believe and claim there is a mountain of evidence on Brady and the Pats.
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When did Mara say that? That is not what i read
 
What I can't understand is Kraft must have known about those email exchanges with Pash and yet he STILL put his faith in the League? WHY?!


Faith in his pal Roger, Kraft has been played and he finally realized what we have known since Jan.
 
It's too late. It's in court. Now the NFL and the owners are party to this. They can't turn back. That time is past. Too much damage to Brady and to Kraft's brand.

This can have legal repercussions down the road that the owners will need to resist, so they can't do anything for Kraft now. That time is over.

Kraft had a chance. He blew it.
 
Roger Goodell has finally done it; he has overseen an investigative process which is nothing less than a vendetta against a team which believes first, foremost and always in integrity.

In reading http://wellsreportcontext.com/, it is crystal clear that the Patriots both individually and corporately could hardly have been more cooperative and dedicated to fairness and full disclosure. On the other hand, the NFL office and their lackey, Wells and team, reek of partiality, moving the goalposts, obscuring truth, leaking lies, refusing to investigate, breaking their own investigative rules and smearing anyone they wanted (apparently) without any thought that they could be held accountable for their actions.

I believe Robert Kraft has said that this must stop and must stop now.

The first step was the press conference on Wednesday where Kraft said, "I was wrong to put my faith in the league".

The second step is the updating of the Wells Report Context website with this email exchange.

I believe the third step will be the action (not just words) that many on this site are screaming far. No, not a lawsuit. But a call to the other NFL owners for a truly fair and impartial investigation into the League office and how they conduct their business that will be made at the August 11th owner's meeting. An investigation that was promised by Roger Goodell but that never happened.

You can't follow this website and this story without realizing how fundamentally unfairly the NFL office has treated the Patriots.
- from not sharing the allegations the day before the game with the Patriots to insure a fair game
- to Mike Kensil telling a Patriots' employee, "you're in big f---ing trouble" at halftime
- to the leaking of totally false information 3 days after the game
- to refusing to correct this false information despite DEMANDS of the Patriots that this be done
- to abusing the investigative process ground rules that were agreed upon to
- to refusing to investigate the League office despite this being a mandate of their mission
- to hiring Exponent, a firm known first and foremost for its willingness to bend any and all facts to fit the whims of their client
- to producing a report that is the most slanted report I've ever read in my life (by far)
- to creating new grounds to find someone guilty (generally aware???)
- to piling assumption upon assumption to reach a conclusion that it was "more probable than not" that balls were deflated by what is ultimately a tiny amount
- to accusing the Patriots of not cooperating when the Patriot organization went well above and beyond any reasonable definition of cooperation and only objected on one point when the Wells team refused to follow their own ground rules of behavior
- to accusing Tom Brady of not cooperating when he also went well above and beyond any reasonable definition of cooperation and only objected to handing over his cell phone (on the advice of lawyers) - and even would have done that had the investigators even hinted that he might be punished for not sharing his cell phone
- to Roger Goodell not handing down the penalty in violation of the CBA
- to Roger Goodell ruling in his own favor without a hearing that he did hand down the penalty
- to Roger Goodell ruling in his own favor without a hearing that he was fit to be the arbitrator
- to telling the NFLPA that they would only have 4 hours to present their appeal defense - and then publicly denying this
- to refusing to share any information about the investigation due to lawyer-client privilege
- to refusing to allow the NFLPA to call relevant witnesses (including the co-lead of the investigation!) in their defense at the appeal
- to using the "destruction" of the phone as a basis for upholding the appeal - something that is not even allowed to be considered in the appeal since it wasn't part of the evidence going into the appeal
- to smearing Tom Brady with the appeal decision headlines that he destroyed his phone knowing full well that they had been given ALL of the relevant data (and more) and had all of the relevant data when the Wells Report was first written

Of course there is more that could be added. But the point is clear - there is a cancer in the NFL offices. We recognize that that cancer starts first and foremost with Roger Goodell as he has personally overseen the process and made many of the fundamentally unfair decisions regarding the process.

This is no longer about deflating footballs. This is about having a fair and impartial process. Bob Kraft put his faith in the League office - and for quite a while, I did too. I actually had confidence as Bob Kraft did that a fair and impartial investigation would be conducted and that the Patriots would be exonerated. We couldn't have been more wrong.

Fair and impartial process. This is where the name Patriots came from. Our forefathers cringed at the unfair process (no taxation without representation) imposed by the mighty British Empire. This is why a revolution was started 240 years ago. And this is why I believe Bob Kraft has started down the path of a revolution in these past few days.

- An investigation into the NFL office MUST be conducted.
- It MUST be fair and impartial.
- When that investigation is done, the (high-level) results MUST be shared with the public.
- Those responsible for creating and enforcing processes that arbitrarily and unfairly punish teams and individuals MUST be held accountable.
- The NFL MUST apologize for any improper actions in the past.

Good luck, Robert Kraft. The hopes of Patriots nation and football fans everywhere are with you.

Great and well thought out post. It's a private club, it will take more than court action to cure the cancer. I wondered myself if there was any provision to take out the commissioner for cause, possibly saving some salary. Not the same thing as abiding by his ruling, but an impeachment or code of conduct policy.

We have only heard from a handful of owners supporting goodell, a few of them who are blatantly corrupt and expect favored treatment. Of the 20-25 left, how many are on the fence, how many don't like goodell, but don't want to make waves and how many are increasingly sick of this and looking for a way out?
I really believed Kraft was trying to persuade and count votes behind the scenes, but now that he's out, maybe they will just need to have some conflict.

Goodell is our best ally in this. His habitual lying and obvious game fixing does not reflect well on the league or the owners and, as that becomes more apprent with the Brady case, the weasels might be the first to turn on him when they find it in their best interest because,. well, they are weasels.

An independent investigation indeed. what a concept.
 
What I can't understand is Kraft must have known about those email exchanges with Pash and yet he STILL put his faith in the League? WHY?!
Because he still beleives its goodell's minions and not goodell who caused this mess and in an arbitration held by goodell himself he will be reasonable and fair. In other words, kraft is blind and clueless.
 
What a great effort by you TS. I could feel the adrenaline rising with every great point you made. And then there was the nagging question that we can't seem to answer, at leas to my satisfaction.

Why did Bob Kraft fold in May???????

He knew about the emails. He knew about all the holes in the Welles report. He knew the NFL was violating the CBA in the process. He knew that this was merely a witch hunt perpetrated by a small cabal of Pats haters within the ownership and league offices. So WHY then, with an overwhelming amount of evidence on HIS side, did Robert Kraft accept the league's penalties in May. What in the world did Goodell say to him that could have possibly moved him off his rock solid position.

I don't believe it was because "he could get a better deal for Brady". WTF is a "better deal" when nothing but complete exoneration taints Tom's legacy forever. He had sure win and gave it away, and for WHAT?

You make a STRONG case for the Pats, but until I know what Goodell said to Kraft that May day, I will have questions. Not about the Pats' and Brady's innocence in this case. That's been made clear. But rather what OTHER thing did Goodell hold over Kraft's head that made him make the worst decision of his ownership.

THAT is the question that anyone who is a fan of the Pats wants to know
 
Mara, Jones, and Snyder aren't the ones Kraft needs to work with. It's the others who would become more like the Florida Marlins should the NFL lose their exempt status and we have a league that has a salary structure more like baseball.

In that scenario, Kraft also wins and wins big. Might be time for the "32" to take long view of what's going on here before the narrative and control is taken away from them. and yes, 1 of the 32 could possibly do that.
 
What a great effort by you TS. I could feel the adrenaline rising with every great point you made. And then there was the nagging question that we can't seem to answer, at leas to my satisfaction.

Why did Bob Kraft fold in May???????

He knew about the emails. He knew about all the holes in the Welles report. He knew the NFL was violating the CBA in the process. He knew that this was merely a witch hunt perpetrated by a small cabal of Pats haters within the ownership and league offices. So WHY then, with an overwhelming amount of evidence on HIS side, did Robert Kraft accept the league's penalties in May. What in the world did Goodell say to him that could have possibly moved him off his rock solid position.

I don't believe it was because "he could get a better deal for Brady". WTF is a "better deal" when nothing but complete exoneration taints Tom's legacy forever. He had sure win and gave it away, and for WHAT?

You make a STRONG case for the Pats, but until I know what Goodell said to Kraft that May day, I will have questions. Not about the Pats' and Brady's innocence in this case. That's been made clear. But rather what OTHER thing did Goodell hold over Kraft's head that made him make the worst decision of his ownership.

THAT is the question that anyone who is a fan of the Pats wants to know

This has always been obvious to me.
Who is the nemesis of the owners? The players and the NFLPA. The only threat to their pocketbook is the players and CBA negotiations and the split of the money.
They have very successfully held them down by negotiation CBAs that put Roger Goodell in power over them. What will the next CBA be about? Goodell or money? See the point?
By Kraft challenging Goodell he usurps his authority. If an owner can challenge Goodell surely players can.
Kraft was told that weakening Goodell weakens the 32 by weakening the stranglehold they have over the NFLPA.
I thought this was obvious
 
Oh, here's another POS clueless owner in Jerry Jones. This transparent, biased MF'er thinks people don't know he just would love to play the Pats with Brady out.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...-behind-roger-goodell-instead-of-robert-kraft
Bob and Jonathan screwed Jones and supported Goodell putting penalties against the Cowboys for salary cap violations in a year when there was no salary cap. This is just Jones getting payback. Kraft is somewhat responsible for all this as he is the one who paved the way for Goodell and nurtured him.
 
Bob and Jonathan screwed Jones and supported Goodell putting penalties against the Cowboys for salary cap violations in a year when there was no salary cap. This is just Jones getting payback. Kraft is somewhat responsible for all this as he is the one who paved the way for Goodell and nurtured him.
Oh. Not "somewhat". He's totally responsible. And it's coming back to bite him in the ass.
 
I have felt since the Wells Report was release that this would eventually lead to the Kraft family selling the NE Patriots and wiping their hands of the whole mess.
 
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