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BobDigital · Jul 31, 2015

bigballas said:
not defending where he was picked but the same thing was said about Collins. it just takes one other team to reach and he's gone

IDK about that. IIRC Collins was the 2nd best LB on the board at that point by most people's measure. He might have been a minor reach but I think most people agreed he was a 2nd round prospect.

Wheelman · Jul 31, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
Think about it for a second: imagine if Garoppolo has to play and does well.

Either the Pats stick with Brady and trade Garoppolo, or they're set at QB for the next decade.

I don't know man. Tom Brady is the GOAT. Drew Bledsoe was just a quarterback. Big difference! I don't think they let Brady go.

VrabelJr · Jul 31, 2015

Wheelman said:
I don't know man. Tom Brady is the GOAT. Drew Bledsoe was just a quarterback. Big difference! I don't think they let Brady go.

This thread just got weird. Are we seriously talking about trading Brady again? lol...

nabwong · Jul 31, 2015

Wheelman said:
I don't know man. Tom Brady is the GOAT. Drew Bledsoe was just a quarterback. Big difference! I don't think they let Brady go.

There is no way Kraft will survive the bad PR from a Brady trade. I believe Brady will retire rather than play for another team. He has always put team first. For Kraft to trade him would be suicide.

Oswlek · Jul 31, 2015

BobDigital said:
IDK about that. IIRC Collins was the 2nd best LB on the board at that point by most people's measure. He might have been a minor reach but I think most people agreed he was a 2nd round prospect.

Not to my recollection. That pick got plenty of WTF reactions on fan sites and in national media. Maybe it wasn't as bad as Tavon Wilson, but the consensus opinion was more than a "minor" reach.

Ross12 · Jul 31, 2015

IMO Jimmy G will provide great QB depth for this year, maybe next, and will be traded for at least 1 first-rounder. Brady ain't slowing down anytime soon.

Guts · Jul 31, 2015

Favre led the Vikings to the NFCCG and he was older than Brady, took more hits, and not as good as Brady. Brady takes care of himself, doesn't take hits when he doesn't have to, and relies on his brain honestly Tom played as well as when he won the 2010 MVP Brady still has a lot left in the tank I would even say his 50% is better than half the QBS in the league at their 100%

Ross12 · Jul 31, 2015

ArchAngel007 said:
Favre led the Vikings to the NFCCG and he was older than Brady, took more hits, and not as good as Brady. Brady takes care of himself, doesn't take hits when he doesn't have to, and relies on his brain honestly Tom played as well as when he won the 2010 MVP Brady still has a lot left in the tank I would even say his 50% is better than half the QBS in the league at their 100%

I honest-to-god saw a comment on a PFT article recently where someone said Brady will definitely retire after this year, "he's no Brett Favre." Uhh, what?

AQPE · Jul 31, 2015

BelichickFan said:
Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 56s57 seconds ago
Jordan Richards blanketed Gronk on an INC in the end zone. Second time in two days the rookie has stuck out.

I'm not defending the pick in ANY way but it would be funny if he ended up being a good player.

Said it right after the draft, will say it again: James Sanders 2.0 (or better, I hope, though if he's merely equal to the original I'd be OK with thst).

Wheelman · Jul 31, 2015

Good sig @AQPE

PatsGuy · Jul 31, 2015

rexxar said:
NU UH. LOL

That is the winning post of the week!!!

bigballas · Jul 31, 2015

BobDigital said:
IDK about that. IIRC Collins was the 2nd best LB on the board at that point by most people's measure. He might have been a minor reach but I think most people agreed he was a 2nd round prospect.

fair enough, but most believed we could have snagged him with the latter 2nd round pick , or even trading into an early 3rd. regardless, most had an initial meltdown regarding the pick here:

start here:
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...nds-2-3-2013-nfl-draft-thread.1023448/page-14

my point is if some other team wanted him in the 3rd, BB just pre-empted so he doesnt lose him

RayClay · Jul 31, 2015

BobDigital said:
Jake Bequette - The best player to never play a meaningful snap in patriots history.

Pretty sure he's played in the regular season. don't know how meaningful it was.

With my memory that could have been preseason, so correct me if I'm wrong.

BobDigital · Jul 31, 2015

I don't like the talk of trading either Brady or Garoppolo. Why not keep both until you have to unless Brady falls off hard in the next few years.

BobDigital · Jul 31, 2015

Oswlek said:
Not to my recollection. That pick got plenty of WTF reactions on fan sites and in national media. Maybe it wasn't as bad as Tavon Wilson, but the consensus opinion was more than a "minor" reach.

Well let me look up some sites.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1...2013-nfl-draft-mike-mayocks-top-100-prospects

(49th overall)

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/3/8/4078586/2013-nfl-draft-big-board

(33rd overall)

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/12/4217832/2013-nfl-draft-big-board-top-200-100

(39th overall)

full disclosure. A found a few where he was ranked lower too but they were much more combersome and these were really easy to read.

I am not saying he might not have been a reach but it was different than a lot of 2nd round reaches we have made in the past as was not nearly the complete blindside other picks were.

Brewskies · Jul 31, 2015

ChrisR2223 said:
My point is a 2 way player mainly defensive back but able to fill in as a fourth safety.
It doesn't hurt to learn both positions this way he knows where his help is and understand the defense more as a whole.
Just a way to get a high upside player on the roster as opposed to keep a player whos already reached the top of his ability and is nothing more than a fringe player.
I don't understand how my thought is assnine in any stretch.
However he is being roasted today but that's technique we will see if he develops further.

You don't need to explain your opinion because it is your opinion. Consider the source of the comment and disregard.

Oswlek · Jul 31, 2015

BobDigital said:
Well let me look up some sites.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1...2013-nfl-draft-mike-mayocks-top-100-prospects

(49th overall)

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/3/8/4078586/2013-nfl-draft-big-board

(33rd overall)

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/4/12/4217832/2013-nfl-draft-big-board-top-200-100

(39th overall)

full disclosure. A found a few where he was ranked lower too but they were much more combersome and these were really easy to read.

I am not saying he might not have been a reach but it was different than a lot of 2nd round reaches we have made in the past as was not nearly the complete blindside other picks were.

Clearly you were right. I must admit that my recollection was swayed by the furor on this site.

Hudson Pats Fan · Aug 1, 2015

Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
Talked to a person close to the #Patriots tonight trying to gather some info. Here's 2-3 nuggets that interested me...
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
Rookie Safety Jordan Richards has impressed from the minute he got there. Everyone knew he was smart, but they've been more impressed by
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
his instincts and field vision early on. Compared to other rookies that have historically come in late due to graduation.. he was way ahead
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
2. I don't get the sense that Ryan Wendell is locked into one of the Guard spots. They won't shy away from starting both rookies if nec.
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
I also got the sense that they're not nearly as concerned about the secondary as Patriots fans are.

Ross12 · Aug 1, 2015

Walpole Pats Fan said:
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
Talked to a person close to the #Patriots tonight trying to gather some info. Here's 2-3 nuggets that interested me...
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
Rookie Safety Jordan Richards has impressed from the minute he got there. Everyone knew he was smart, but they've been more impressed by
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
his instincts and field vision early on. Compared to other rookies that have historically come in late due to graduation.. he was way ahead
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
2. I don't get the sense that Ryan Wendell is locked into one of the Guard spots. They won't shy away from starting both rookies if nec.
Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 1h1 hour ago
I also got the sense that they're not nearly as concerned about the secondary as Patriots fans are.

All of the above good to hear! Hopefully Richards can live up to his draft position, wouldn't that be awesome? Paired with McCourty, maybe they could be special if so. Also really excited about the guards, if they both beat our Wendell that'd be a great sign I think.

Brady_to_Moss · Aug 1, 2015

I am waiting to really look into it until the pads come on!

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