Patriots publish emails to nfl asking to correct false deflategate reports

Ross12 · Jul 31, 2015

In my opinion, I think that this is the first shot from Kraft. He's saying "we are not only backing Brady, but backing ourselves. We have a lot of dirt on you, and will be getting increasingly aggressive unless you do what's right."

As I believe @rochrist pointed out in another thread, I'm not sure a club is even allowed to publish this kind of thing. So clearly the gloves are off at this point.

JMC00 · Jul 31, 2015

SVN said:
Again in the grand scheme of things this is not going hurt the NFL unless taken to court.NFL has not addressed anything in any interview except via their ruling and arbitration reviews or to correct schefter or others when the news didnt suit them. Its fun for us to read and may garner some PR for kraft . Just going hurt even more if the suspension doesnt get overturned.

Alright we get it nfl is the big winner in this whole thing. Jesus is that all you're gonna post about?

RobertWeathers · Jul 31, 2015

VectorPrime said:
If we aren't losing then we're at best tied and this is the critical moment to turn the tide.

To move a movie sequence than has been overdone, today was a, "The Russians Cut!" moment.

Still a question if the fight goes the distance and if Rocko can win the war.

eom · Jul 31, 2015

VectorPrime said:
For the love of god release them all, its the 4th quarter and you're down by 14 its time to take some risks.

did you just tell the pats how to come back from 14 pts down?

Kdo5 · Jul 31, 2015

JMC00 said:
Michael McCann ‏@McCannSportsLaw 9m9 minutes ago

Patriots say released emails are only "to illustrate." I think Patriots are warning NFL there are many more emails.

If there are more then why warn the NFL? They should just leak leak leak. Unless they think it is a subtle way to frighten the NFL into making a favorable settlement for Brady.

VectorPrime · Jul 31, 2015

eom said:
did you just tell the pats how to come back from 14 pts down?

Stop taking the analogy so literally you know what I mean, its a dangerous bordering on desperate situation.

SHOWTIME15 · Jul 31, 2015

the pats should have done this way earlier, but kraft got taken for a fool

Froob · Jul 31, 2015

Maybe there's a chance to get some picks back...

wahwho · Jul 31, 2015

I know nothing about the legal side of things, but I get the feeling that making these public is serving two goals. The obvious one is a PR counteroffensive against the league, which is all well and good. However, in making them public, is the team supporting a Brady defamation suit in the only way it can? If Brady sues the NFL league office for defamation then the Patriots are essentially defendants. Email exchanges like this are not anything that Brady or his lawyers would be aware of and the Pats couldn't really just offer evidence to the people who are suing the league. However, if the evidence was already part of the public record then NE isn't directly supporting Brady's suit but still get him some supporting evidence.

Don't know if that's valid in any way, but it seems reasonable to my uninformed mind.

eom · Jul 31, 2015

Ross12 said:
In my opinion, I think that this is the first shot from Kraft. He's saying "we are not only backing Brady, but backing ourselves. We have a lot of dirt on you, and will be getting increasingly aggressive unless you do what's right."

As I believe @rochrist pointed out in another thread, I'm not sure a club is even allowed to publish this kind of thing. So clearly the gloves are off at this point.

what are you talking about?

I just e-mailed the pats and they said they don't think these leaks came from their office

SVN · Jul 31, 2015

Now I hope Pash says ESPN/Mort was wrong to say it was league sources causing Mort to finally break and reveal his sources like Schefter did when accused of making up the 4 hr thing.

TommyD4207 · Jul 31, 2015

You know...

Is it possible the Patriots released these e-mails as a calculated operation (for lack of a better term), along with the leaking of the "sources" to John Dennis - to force Judge Berman to accept the expedited motion?

resdubwhite · Jul 31, 2015

Cut the head off the snake. Pash Kensil Goodell. All legitimate targets.

fnordcircle · Jul 31, 2015

Kdo5 said:
If there are more then why warn the NFL? They should just leak leak leak. Unless they think it is a subtle way to frighten the NFL into making a favorable settlement for Brady.

Because the NFL is where the Patriots live?

In the real world people don't go nuclear out of the gates. The term 'opening salvo' exists for a reason - I just wish the Pats had realized they were in a pitched battle several months ago.

Fencer · Jul 31, 2015

scott99 said:
These emails are fascinating ! BUT, they are worth as much as the paper they would be printed on. The only way they'd be helpful, would have been if KRAFT had fought this. Since he didn't, these emails don't mean ****. Sure they are damning as far as the NFL letting one of its member teams get destroyed in the press, but obviously they didn't seem to care.

To add, this doesn't help Brady in any way shape or form. This is all PR for Krafty Bob, he cares more about his Brand than Brady.

They're a pixel trail for a defamation case. The primary focus was on defamation of the Patriots, and the secondary focus was on defamation of McNally, but they can also serve a defamation case for Brady as well.

Funktopus · Jul 31, 2015

Pash's first response seems to deliberately misunderstand Robyn's complaint from her original correspondence. **** move for sure, but inexcusable for someone at an exec level to behave like that. Especially given the high road response in his final email.

What must the rank and file at 345 think about working for these assholes.

Fencer · Jul 31, 2015

VectorPrime said:
For the love of god release them all, its the 4th quarter and you're down by 14 its time to take some risks.

The time for the defamation cases to take center stage is after August 19, when they could become either the primary action or else an important set of considerations in final-settlement negotiations.

DaBruinz · Jul 31, 2015

scott99 said:
These emails are fascinating ! BUT, they are worth as much as the paper they would be printed on. The only way they'd be helpful, would have been if KRAFT had fought this. Since he didn't, these emails don't mean ****. Sure they are damning as far as the NFL letting one of its member teams get destroyed in the press, but obviously they didn't seem to care.

To add, this doesn't help Brady in any way shape or form. This is all PR for Krafty Bob, he cares more about his Brand than Brady.

It sure does help Brady as it goes to the league's process and the flawed report. And yes, the flawed report will still be a huge part of the Brady case.. Make no mistake about it..

Fencer · Jul 31, 2015

wahwho said:
I know nothing about the legal side of things, but I get the feeling that making these public is serving two goals. The obvious one is a PR counteroffensive against the league, which is all well and good. However, in making them public, is the team supporting a Brady defamation suit in the only way it can? If Brady sues the NFL league office for defamation then the Patriots are essentially defendants. Email exchanges like this are not anything that Brady or his lawyers would be aware of and the Pats couldn't really just offer evidence to the people who are suing the league. However, if the evidence was already part of the public record then NE isn't directly supporting Brady's suit but still get him some supporting evidence.

Don't know if that's valid in any way, but it seems reasonable to my uninformed mind.

Nice point. The league may have the contractual right to hamper the Pats from helping Brady. However, if that is indeed the case, then it is also the case that Brady would have the right to discovery against the Pats.

And the Pats have just published proof that there's indeed a lot for Brady's side to discover.

I can imagine a situation in which Brady files a lawsuit, and one of the defendants is the Patriots. (E.g., the Patriots had the information, and they didn't publish it either, honoring their NDA with the league but doing much greater harm to Brady than an NDA violation would have done to the league.) This could be the Patriots taking a dive in advance of that scenario.

SVN · Jul 31, 2015

resdubwhite said:
Cut the head off the snake. Pash Kensil Goodell. All legitimate targets.

Goodell is the only head. Wish kraft focused more him too instead of just kensil and pash.

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