NFLPA suit

Dr Pain said:

Be excited but understand judge's are people too and people are flawed. I am optimistic and would take a bet on an injunction but it is not a lock.

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Yeah, that is the one of the obstacles that needs to get done. First making sure the case isn't thrown out, making sure the injunction is approved.

TommyD4207 said:

To be fair, it was one off-hand comment when talking about other things.

It would be like hanging your hat on "I like when Gronk spikes the ball because it deflates a little."

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"Nobody would be stupid enough to use that as any kind of evidence!"
- Everyone in the universe except Rodger Goodell

TBR said:

Yes of course there's no accusation of tampering with them after inspection.

The point I'm hanging my hat on, is that Rodgers is most definitely gaining a competitive advantage on the field - deliberately too. He practically boasts about his intent to do this. And has most likely succeeded at doing so due to the lax rules in place by the NFL.

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I wonder why they don't also mention Eli Manning and his "ball prep"

because THAT would lead to Saint Peytie and HIS ball prep...

#92 - hmmmmm......

TBR said:

I couldn't care less, too. But I'm playing devils advocate to prove blatant hypocrisy among the media & general public.

What if someone shoplifts an item? Do they deserve to get away with it, just because the cameras, security guards, censors, etc. failed to catch him? Of course not.

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This is an easy one for the NFL to argue. Aaron had them over inflated before they were handed to the referees and Brady "allegedly" had them deflated after they were handed to the referees.

Tony2046 said:

This is an easy one for the NFL to argue. Aaron had them over inflated before they were handed to the referees and Brady "allegedly" had them deflated after they were handed to the referees.

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It's what they argued, but it doesn't really hold water. The teams are required to supply the balls to the officials with them already within acceptable limits. In other words, just supplying the balls outside of range is "cheating".

Tony2046 said:

This is an easy one for the NFL to argue. Aaron had them over inflated before they were handed to the referees and Brady "allegedly" had them deflated after they were handed to the referees.

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but the lack of NFL ball handling procedures (i.e nobody gave a damn) allowed Rodgers to circumvent the rules.

Deus Irae said:

It's what they argued, but it doesn't really hold water. The teams are required to supply the balls to the officials with them already within acceptable limits. In other words, just supplying the balls outside of range is "cheating".

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This.

And it's not as if the petition outright accuses Rodgers of anything. All it says is that despite that statement "no investigation took place", even though he fell under the standard "more probably than not was generally aware".

Deus Irae said:

It's what they argued, but it doesn't really hold water. The teams are required to supply the balls to the officials with them already within acceptable limits. In other words, just supplying the balls outside of range is "cheating".

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I get it BUT in court I think they would see before the referee checked them differently than after the referee checked them.

Hoodie said:

but the lack of NFL ball handling procedures (i.e nobody gave a damn) allowed Rodgers to circumvent the rules.

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I agree. But in a court, I believe, there will be a clear difference between before the referees inspect them and after a referee inspects them.

Tony2046 said:

I get it BUT in court I think they would see before the referee checked them differently than after the referee checked them.

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Cheating is cheating.

Isn't that what Goodell's been trying to hammer at everyone? I'm trying to emphasize it as another area of hypocrisy that the NFLPA can delve into.

Deus Irae said:

Cheating is cheating.

Isn't that what Goodell's been trying to hammer at everyone? I'm just pointing out another area of hypocrisy that the NFLPA can delve into.

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More like: "I am GOD , and if I say you're cheating, you're cheating".

smurfalarm said:

Holy crap, how did the NFL even allow this? No wonder there were reports that the NFL was panicking about what would happen when this goes to court. Even if they win the case, the NFL looks TERRIBLE if all these allegations are true.

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Well, they will explain this as Paul Weiss guys questioning as part of the appeal since their report was attacked. Someone from the wells team had to be in the appeal meeting .

BSR said:

This was a good find: https://twitter.com/PP_Rich_Hill/status/626547031713185793

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The goodell letter had some response to the equipment thing as well, I cant remember. NFL lawyers would be so naive to not protect themselves. they also know where they were going to be attacked in court. ITs upto the judge to see through the sham.

BradyFTW! said:

BTW, anyone have a source on this?:

Ben VolinVerified account‏@BenVolin
Kessler said they filed the lawsuit as a related case to the Peterson case so that Judge Doty is ultimately the one who presides over it

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Well..its Volin...so..

I know when the brady appeal went down both sides agreed to seal the appeal hearing from public access .But is there any record of what all the NFLPA says about wells/weiss participating on behalf of the nfl in the appeal ? How will they prove it. Appeal meeting minutes ? Just curious what happens if it becmes a He said/she said type of thing where NFL denies it.

raduray said:

Unless I missed it, the only thing that's not in here is the Mortensen leak and the NFL's failure to correct it (and reportedly barring NE from doing so).

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The David Gardi false email has to be there. Its a big deal

SVN said:

Well..its Volin...so..

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Why won't that troll just go away. Dude disgusts me every time I hear or read his name. Can't believe he gets to work the Boston beat after all his doom and gloom articles. Who the **** is giving this pos clicks?

SVN said:

I know when the brady appeal went down both sides agreed to seal the appeal hearing from public access .But is there any record of what all the NFLPA says about wells/weiss participating on behalf of the nfl in the appeal ? How will they prove it. Appeal meeting minutes ? Just curious what happens if it becmes a He said/she said type of thing where NFL denies it.

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The petition references a transcript of the arbitration hearing that has been submitted as evidence, and there were 40 witnesses who can attest to its veracity under oath in federal court. I doubt there is going to be an argument over basic facts like whether or not Paul, Weiss partners represented the NFL as counsel, but the NFL will no doubt characterize this fact in a different light. Keep in mind for example that the judge may decide that the question of whether or not Paul, Weiss was "truly" independent is not central to the decision of whether or not the appeal decision was valid.