Let's all forgive Bob Kraft

After scrolling though this thread, I'm honored to be in the company of so many who have never made mistakes in their lives.

PATSNUTme said:

After scrolling though this thread, I'm honored to be in the company of so many who have never made mistakes in their lives.

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People pay for mistakes, nut, even when they are actually sorry. In this case, the 'mistake' Kraft made was the gauging of his fan base. His backing down wasn't a 'mistake', in his eyes, anymore than his apology is genuine. Remember, he just hopes we'll understand.



Well, we understand, alright.

PATSNUTme said:

After scrolling though this thread, I'm honored to be in the company of so many who have never made mistakes in their lives.

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Mistake?

I think Bob Kraft was pretty calculated. He just didn't realize that most of the fanbase wasn't going to just eat up all his pablum on demand.

flasox27 said:

Let me join the talk is cheap chorus here. We have all seen Battling Bob become the pathetic putz overnight before. Let's just see how long this lasts when the pressure comes from the real powers of the NFL like Rooney and Mara who starting tell him he is hurting his place in League history. The important thing to consider also is that he doesn't blame Goodell personally which is like blaming the Third Reich and omitting Hitler. So there is still time for Goodell to pet him on head and watch him rollover like a good retriever. I will give Kraft credit for a good PR move when apparently he realized that all 32 fan bases hated him and the one that counted wasn't buying his BS anymore. Unlike some of the people here, I haven't forgotten everything Kraft did from 2007 to this day to harm the team in his slavish devotion to the POS Goodell and it will take a lot of actions to prove to me this isn't just a PR stunt to appease the fans.

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You really invoked the Third Reich?

Deus Irae said:

People pay for mistakes, nut, even when they are actually sorry. In this case, the 'mistake' Kraft made was the gauging of his fan base. His backing down wasn't a 'mistake', in his eyes, anymore than his apology is genuine. Remember, he just hopes we'll understand.



Well, we understand, alright.

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"People pay for mistakes..."

If you are including mistakes of judgement you certainly don't.


You are as consistently wrong as anyone on anything yet are unrelenting in your certitude in how right you always are. Seriously,seek mental health assistance. Its
Like Borges saying " see, I told you they sucked....."

NormZauchin said:

The analogy borders on absurdity. Stalin had a huge army occupying Eastern Europe after the defeat of the Nazis. Americans were not going to fight another costly war to free Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and other countries from communism. Truman and Churchill were just recognizing facts.

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And how exactly is that any different than PSI?



SWEET JESUS, HOW F.CKING STUPID ARE YOU??????


If not for PSI THERE WOULD BE NO Hiroshima.

Sorry about the added caps.

TommyBrady12 said:

we still won 't be getting our picks back

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Holley had a good point this afternoon. Goodell and the Wells report exonerates the team, Mr. Kraft and BB. So what infraction is the fine and loss of draft picks intended to punish?

VectorPrime said:

I never thought I would even consider forgiving him but he did a damn good job today. I won't change my overall opinion but he did a good job.

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I agree. He did do a good job today (yesterday) but in 24 hours he could change his mind again. I don't trust him anymore and I'm not ready to forgive. His capitulation did too much damage.

My opinion on him remains the same under these circumstances. Acknowledging that it was a mistake now makes me more mad. It is so damn easy to say that now when there is no repercussion , but when the fans, the team and Tom needed him, he chickened out. That is inexcusable, period.

When pressure was applied and you had to choose between the shield or the embodiment of the Patriots, that was not a "mistake", it was a statement of who you are, and you are Robert Kraft, 1 out of 32 OWNER of the NFL, not a Patriot.

What can he ever do to ever gain your or my trust back? I can't see what he can do, unless another scandal happens and he fight for it that time, but I don't see it happening, neither I expect he to do anything.

patsfanboy said:

When pressure was applied and you had to choose between the shield or the embodiment of the Patriots, that was not a "mistake", it was a statement of who you are, and you are Robert Kraft, 1 out of 32 OWNER of the NFL, not a Patriot.

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This. So very much this.

Hey look... a little perspective here. I root for the laundry. Have since the Pats first game. I cringe when I think of what Billy Sullivan might have done if he was faced with this debacle. There is so much acrimonious feeling fracturing our fanbase over this crap we seem to forget the true Satan in all this is R. Stokoe "Call the cops, Pats fans may threaten me!" Goodell.

I do not like some of the decisions Kraft has made throughout this debacle but I don't root for Kraft, I root for the N.E.P. and the solidarity of the Patriot fanbase. Kraft has made his bed and now he has to lie in it. The truth is Goodell is the demon that needs to be cast out. He is the one that has maneuvered Kraft into decisions that have splintered an entire region into taking sides against the man who not only saved this franchise but built it into a paradigm in pro sports.

To Mr. Kraft I say...this is what you get when you lay down with dogs. Take a flea bath.

To Roger Goodell I say...I will not rest until I see your scurvy face staring out from behind bars in some forsaken federal penitentiary.
Goodell loves to let the meme disseminate nationwide through his use of sound bytes that "cheaters never win". The TRUTH this liar has never understood is LIARS NEVER LAST. Every dog has its day and yours is coming Poochdell. Yours IS coming.

**** Kraft.

This was the second time.

TommyD4207 said:

Mistake?

I think Bob Kraft was pretty calculated. He just didn't realize that most of the fanbase wasn't going to just eat up all his pablum on demand.

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Keep in mind as you say this, Tom Brady admitted he made a counter proposal to the league regarding accepting reduced punishment. I assume the gist of his proposal was to accept no/vastly reduced suspension, a marked fine and some sort of de facto accepting of some level of improper action.
Why would Tom do that for something he appears to be innocent of?? Consider what if Goodell would have accepted Brady's proposal, Deflategate was now over, Tom accepted this fine (but no suspension), and accepted some level of improper behavior/guilt? Would you be as angry at Brady as you are Kraft considering they both have acted similar?

Again why was Brady completely willing to accept some level of punishment/guilt??? I think the answer is a simple one: Brady took stock of the reality of the cost, the difficulty going up against such a contractually/media/corporate powerhouse, the iffy chances of legally succeeding in his fight against Goliath - - - so Brady decided the best chance to end this and move on with as little pain as possible was to accept some level of punishment and guilt.
If all of that is true -- and sure seems to be -- why are you not upset at Brady too? Wasn't this counterprosal by Brady a similar act by Kraft?

Kraft acquiesced too easily. I completely agree on that. Brady was willing to acquiesce but much less easily (at minimum Kraft should have held out longer). Yet both men acquiesced because this was the simplest path to end this painful fiasco, and it appears they thought Goodell would act with some objectivity to end this amicably. Both men are foolish for having even slightly believed that (in the coming days I'll bet you hear the NFL nefariously use Brady's proposal to accept some punishment as another obvious indicator of his guilt). And it seems to me both men now calling out their legal dogs of war and public statements against Goodell have acted and are acting similar.

He can make this right now. His words were a start. His actions will now define him.

I acknowledge that Kraft has extended the olive branch but if he wants true forgiveness, from me at least, Roger Goodell will be out of a job sooner than later.

I'm not ready to forgive him for basically admitting guilt, when we all knew it was the wrong thing to do. Words are not enough. He really needs to hand over the reins. He cant even pronounce his words right anymore. And that's not an attack on him, but it's just time. We now stuck with serious draft pick penalties. For what? I'm seething over that. I just want some serious retribution. These lying bastards need to be exposed. Kraft needs to go for the throat to prove he is truly sorry. IMO

It just words, like one reporter said, too little, too late. He spoke similar words before and it turned out they meant absolutely nothing. Get rid of Goodell, vote for no bonus, do something that shows you have a backbone. Pretty words mean nothing unless there is action to back them up. At least he is making progress and realizes that what he did before was wrong.

Ivan said:

You really invoked the Third Reich?

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Hyperbole yes but the parallels are apt down to the use of an innocent scapegoat to cover weakness, lying propaganda, and the failure of appeasement by a weak and duped leader.

everlong said:

I think Bob is trying to lure a new business into Patriot Place. Silence, angry support, capitulation......rinse and repeat. Let's see how long he sticks with it or maybe, just maybe, the light has gone on that the other 31 only care about themselves and the NFL Offices are stacked against his franchise which is the NE Patriots not the NFL itself. I'll withhold forgiveness to see if he has the fortitude to see this through.

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If he brings Waffle House to the Notheast I'll forgive him, hell I'll make a gold statue of him.

I think he played it perfectly....and by that I mean perfectly from all angles.

He did come out and accept the steepest penalty in the NFL, appeasing the owners, he IS 1 of 32. He did that for Brady's benefit, let's be crystal clear on this one. He wanted his 'fifth son' to play and be on the field. Football means more to Tom than a lot of other things and Kraft knows that better than most. This franchise is already considered guilt via the media. I think he just wanted to get Tom on the field and he used good faith bargaining to do this. I see nothing wrong with this.

Who are we all trying to kid....we are a hated franchise and we all love that, at least I do. We don't need affirmation from anyone, look at the banners....that is the real proof.

In the end, Kraft apologized as he felt the heat from the fan base on this one. He lashed out at the League, and admitted he made a mistake in front of everyone and the scum media, well most.

I absolutely forgive him and look forward to the fight that follows. I am willing to bet the house there are a LOT of skeletons and those back room deals that were being made and not reported....I hope they all come out. And more than anything I am hoping the bias and agendas of certain individuals are exposed.

Thanks to these agendas, good faith will now no longer be a de-facto business practice in the NFL.

It was handled well by Kraft and we all know now what he had been really thinking all along but could not say it as he wanted TFB on the field. You certainly can't blame him for that...