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You've got to be ****ting me!

Read that it's pretty damning. Of course if you read the whole thing it is just about all pretty damning. I'm not even worried now in the least. As long as the case is heard Brady is gonna torch these guys.
 
This is the million dollar question the NFL must answer. This is exactly what I heard from someone with Columbia physics department links when I asked them WTF. Perhaps a reporter who was not a lazy person could ask the folks at Columbia Physics department what happened. I mean a list of them all is a click away here http://physics.columbia.edu/people/faculty

I'm pretty sure Brady's lawyers during their 4 day discovery window before the appeal asked Wells for a list of everyone who was interviewed, etc. Wells claimed client privilege and never provided it (very unfair/biased). I think the assumption was that Columbia is on it but they didn't want them interviewed because the data wasn't in their favor.
 
Hey, everyone, remember Wells saying that Brady didn't have to produce his phone and could just produce the relevant texts? Well.....

Instead, the NFL
complains that they do not include all of the requested text messages because Brady
disposed of his phone (consistent with his practice over many years). but Brady produced
all of his phone records (showing whom he texted with and when) and testified at the
hearing-just as he had told Wells and Reisner months before at his interview-that there
never were any incriminating e-mails or text messages for the simple reason that he had
nothing to do with any ball deflation
 
Thanks.

anyone reading that would have to walk away with the feeling that one of the 130+ points is going to be a problem for the NFL.

so Brady gets a
(1) Injuuction
(2) suspension vacated
(3) Go nuclear on Goodell with an assist from Kraft?

Still love how we have this Nuclear option in our backpocket

i know it screws everyone but in this case, it might just be needed.
 
Hey, everyone, remember Wells saying that Brady didn't have to produce his phone and could just produce the relevant texts? Well.....

Yup, perfect example of NFL moving the goalposts in regards to the investigation. Wells on record stated he was not looking for the phone during his press conference a while back.
 
Question? If a federal judge reads this and rules in favor of Brady, does the labor commission have the right to do their own investigation of the way the NFL handled it's power? Are they under any obligation. Or is it just you win Brady, next case?
 
McCann from SI had odds on Brady getting injunction at 60-40 before NFLPA brief. Wonder what he thinks now?
 
Wasn't the exponent science right though if we go by Walt Anderson's recollection of the events?



Actually exponent had to use the gauge dodge to get any deflation beyond the Ideal Gas Law, Ross McKittrick established this in fact, to believe exponent you have to believe that the balls were deflated by exactly the difference between the two gauges. Amazing coincidence that McNally was able to deflate 12 balls by the exact amount that corresponds to the gauge difference.

The remarkable result is that only manual deflation (Non-Logo initialization) that is not precluded are amounts equal, within uncertainty, to the inter-gauge bias of ~0.38. It surely passes all understanding why the Patriots would set a deflation target that so exactly matched the inter-gauge bias of referee Anderson’s two gauges. And then executed a surreptitious deflation program exactly implementing this implausible objective. Or even why they would bother with ~0.38 psi deflation rather than more substantial deflation of 1-1.5 psi or more.

I think that one can safely say that it is “more probable than not” that referee Anderson used the Logo gauge than that such an implausible coincidence.

http://climateaudit.org/2015/07/03/ruling-out-high-deflation-scenarios/


Btw McKittrick has comments on Goodell' ruling and his 'science'.


http://climateaudit.org/2015/07/29/goodell-and-deflategate-science/

Goodell accepted Exponent’s finding that the full extent of the decline could not “be explained” and that a “substantial part of the decline” was due to tampering. Goodell says that the Brady side submitted “alternative scientific analyses (including the study presented by economists from the American Enterprise Institute)” and, as an expert witness, produced Dean Edward Snyder of the Yale School of Management, described as an “economist who specializes in industrial organization”. Against them, the “Management Council” produced two Exponent scientists (Caligiuri and Steffey) and the Princeton professor who had originally reviewed the Exponent study.
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If Snyder’s testimony was as represented, he was a singularly poor choice of expert witness. There are major errors, defects and adverse assumptions through the Exponent report and Snyder should have taken issue with them. Why they wouldn’t have challenged the 67 deg F assumption of the simulations or the apparent gross error in Figures 26 and 30 (at CA here; also at ^ here) is beyond me.

It’s also hard to understand why the Brady side would have produced an expert witness who hadn’t gone to the trouble of doing his own independent analysis. As represented by Goodell, Snyder focused on the single issue of “timing”, claiming that Exponent had “ignored” timing. While there are issues with how Exponent handled timing, it is ludicrous to say that they “ignored” timing issues. Yes, their “statistical analysis” in Appendix A, from which ludicrous claims of “statistical analysis” are derived, ignored timing issues, but timing issues were front and center in the simulations and claims that Exponent “ignored” timing – if Snyder made such claims – are easily refuted.

On the other hand, Goodell and Exponent’s characterization are always shadow boxing with reality. Goodell said :” Dr Caligiuri and Dr Steffey both explained how timing was, in fact, taken into account in both their experimental and statisticalanalysis. ” This isn’t true either. Timing was taken into account in their experimental analysis, but not in the statistical analysis (in Appendix A). (By the way, I haven’t written except in passing about the statistical analysis in Appendix A as the simulations seemed to me to be the core of the prosecution case, while the statistical analysis was so stupidly irrelevant and pointless as to be worthless, but the fact that it is referred to here as a factor in the decision may cause me to revisit this.)

One of the most important, if not the most important, arguments in trying to make sense of events was the scenario in which referee Anderson used the Logo gauge for measuring Patriot balls and the Non-Logo gauge for measuring Colt balls, inattentively changing gauges between measurements – as NFL officials also did during half-time, despite the heightened scrutiny. This scenario neatly reconciles a lot of otherwise discordant information, as discussed in previous posts. This scenario was raised in the AEI article as well and in an early response by the Patriots. If Goodell has correctly characterized evidence from Snyder and the NFLPA, they botched this issue as well. According to Goodell, they argued that Anderson had used the Logo gauge for measuring both Patriot and Colt balls, raising the problem of the approximate pregame match of Colt pressures and Anderson’s measurements. This argument is moot if, as seems entirely possible, Anderson inattentively changed gauges. Then the issue is how Anderson’s pregame measurement of Patriot balls (if done with Logo gauge) could have reconciled with Patriot pregame measurements. On this narrower issue, there are a couple of possibilities: (1) the Patriot (Jastremski) gauge might have had a similar bias to Anderson’s Logo gauge. Exponent’s analysis of gauge variation is wildly irrelevant to the problem as they limited their analysis to other examples of new Non-Logo gauges. Also, the NFL appears to have been in possession of the Jastremski gauge at half-time and could have tested its calibration, but it didn’t do so, apparently not keeping track of the gauge. (2) while Exponent has plausibly shown that the additional pressure arising from Patriot gloving protocols would have worn off by the time of Anderson’s measurements, it also appears possible that Patriot pregame measurements were done while the balls were still impacted by gloving.
 
Thanks.

anyone reading that would have to walk away with the feeling that one of the 130+ points is going to be a problem for the NFL.

so Brady gets a
(1) Injuuction
(2) suspension vacated
(3) Go nuclear on Goodell with an assist from Kraft?

I have to believe defamation is on the table for Brady. He was suspended for something that he can only be fined for according to the CBA. The NFL leaks (especially yesterdays phone destroying headlines) must have pissed off Brady and his team of lawyers. This is going to get interesting very fast.
 
I read all of it about an hour ago. Holy **** the PA absolutely demolishes Goodell and the NFL on so many points.

On the one hand I feel great having read this. On the other I am pissed more than ever. This whole thing was a massive sham as we all knew but there is even more details that have come to light in this which are infuriating. What a rotten rotten league. :mad:

Go get 'em, Kessler!
 
Wasn't the exponent science right though if we go by Walt Anderson's recollection of the events?
Wasn't the exponent science right though if we go by Walt Anderson's recollection of the events?

But that is just the point, THERE IS NO SCIENCE. Everyone including Exponent concedes that there is not enough data to draw any conclusion.
Not recording the pregame measurements, which gauge was used, the indoor tempearture pregame, the outdoor temperature, the indoor temp at halftime, the order the balls were measured in and the time delay that occured, the wetness of the balls, etc the data cannot reasonably be analyzed.
The entire Exponent report is a study of what would happen based on assumptions and it is the leagues fault that the data is missing.

I think we have been so focussed here on how the science exonerates that we have missed the main point, there is not enough data to determine guilt, and you can't hold Brady accountable to the lack of data the league possesses.
 
I read all of it about an hour ago. Holy **** the PA absolutely demolishes Goodell and the NFL on so many points.

On the one hand I feel great having read this. On the other I am pissed more than ever. This whole thing was a massive sham as we all knew but there is even more details that have come to light in this which are infuriating. What a rotten rotten league. :mad:

Go get 'em, Kessler!

Just remember that people will be looking for the holes in the NFLPA filing, too. Bertrand will probably be up all night trying to find every one of them.
 
But that is just the point, THERE IS NO SCIENCE. Everyone including Exponent concedes that there is not enough data to draw any conclusion.
Not recording the pregame measurements, which gauge was used, the indoor tempearture pregame, the outdoor temperature, the indoor temp at halftime, the order the balls were measured in and the time delay that occured, the wetness of the balls, etc the data cannot reasonably be analyzed.
The entire Exponent report is a study of what would happen based on assumptions and it is the leagues fault that the data is missing.

I think we have been so focussed here on how the science exonerates that we have missed the main point, there is not enough data to determine guilt, and you can't hold Brady accountable to the lack of data the league possesses.

I stopped worrying about the science end when I read that according to the CBA the worst thing that should have happened to Brady, if he was guilty, was a fine.
 
Are Goodell and his cronies really this stupid? I would be EMBARRASSED if I owned one of the "32". Goodell is running the NFL like it is pee wee's playhouse.

Oh it gets worse.
NFLPA asked to have Pash compelled to testify (precedent says every NFL employee can be compelled to testify in an appeal)
Goodell denied the request and did not allow Pash to be questioned.
 
Just remember that people will be looking for the holes in the NFLPA filing, too. Bertrand will probably be up all night trying to find every one of them.

I is the deflator weight loss lesson. One weak thing (even if true) is what the haters will focus on
 
Just remember that people will be looking for the holes in the NFLPA filing, too. Bertrand will probably be up all night trying to find every one of them.


I heard that over at Felgers house he kicked the wife unit out and they are having a NFLPA suit pajama party complete with juice boxes and crayons. A list of those attending are Bertrand, Cuff, Mazz, Jimmy Stewert, Volin, Tomase and others. Not invited with an express take your crayons and go home include Reiss, Curran and Giardi. They apparently asked Steph Stradley to join them, and she told them to f-off.
 
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