Tom Curran: Don Yee said that Wells told the Brady camp they did not want his phone

Yes - there is more - what I meant to say is "nothing Yee says speaks to a raging criminal throwing dead bodies in the river".

karguy85 said:

So when Brady found out that they were harping on his "lack of cooperation" as a reason for the initial punishment he did everything within his power to get the NFL what it wanted, including text messages. The only way to do that was to reach out to a couple dozen people but the NFL refused to do so. Sounds fair.

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Well, they only had 101 days to conduct their investigation, and they wasted 98 of them trying to beat that one level in Angry Birds.

So basically, now the two sides are arguing whether getting a new phone is an effect of the meeting with Wells or if the new phone and the meeting with Wells are both effects of returning to the country after vacation.

This is still about footballs, right?

upstater1 said:

You have to be informed of an appeal before you can sue.

There was never going to be a time that Kessler beat the NFL to the punch on timing.

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OK. I'm prepared to admit I was wrong about that, but why was everyone out here going on and on and on for the last month about the benefits of going to Court in MN or MA if it was a foregone conclusion that the NFL could dictate the venue.

PatsFanSince74 said:

OK. I'm prepared to admit I was wrong about that, but why was everyone out here going on and on and on for the last month about the benefits of going to Court in MN or MA if it was a foregone conclusion that the NFL could dictate the venue.

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They can't dictate the venue. It will be up to judges to decide if this is the venue.

AND, there have been a ton of cases in the past where you have two venues deciding a case at the same time, though some kind of decision has to be made ultimately about the proper place.

upstater1 said:

They can't dictate the venue. It will be up to judges to decide if this is the venue.

AND, there have been a ton of cases in the past where you have two venues deciding a case at the same time, though some kind of decision has to be made ultimately about the proper place.

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I am now officially in "wait and see" mode on this one. Thanks for the polite response.

Lacanfora's article from Yee does contain a few interesting tidbits:

1. Yee said that it was not until Feb 28 that an associate of Wells' sent an email request for information from Brady's phone, "and they emphasized in the email they did not need the actual device," Yee added.

2. Yee also pointed to Wells' remarks from his May conference call after issuing his report when Wells stated that Brady could keep his phone ("I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agent I was willing to not take possession of the phone," Wells said to the media). Wells also said Brady's team could turn over documents related to the investigation and "I will take your word for it."

3. Brady cycled through his previous phone from October until November.

Given these three factors, it's not crazy to think that Brady didn't destroy the previous phone, but just erased it and got rid of the SIM card, that Brady frequently does this (a new phone every month or so?), and that the Wells team specifically didn't even ask for a phone.

upstater1 said:

Lacanfora's article from Yee does contain a few interesting tidbits:

1. Yee said that it was not until Feb 28 that an associate of Wells' sent an email request for information from Brady's phone, "and they emphasized in the email they did not need the actual device," Yee added.

2. Yee also pointed to Wells' remarks from his May conference call after issuing his report when Wells stated that Brady could keep his phone ("I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agent I was willing to not take possession of the phone," Wells said to the media). Wells also said Brady's team could turn over documents related to the investigation and "I will take your word for it."

3. Brady cycled through his previous phone from October until November.

Given these three factors, it's not crazy to think that Brady didn't destroy the previous phone, but just erased it and got rid of the SIM card, that Brady frequently does this (a new phone every month or so?), and that the Wells team specifically didn't even ask for a phone.

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So apparently the phone in question was only used for 3 months.

I know defamation is almost impossible but if we put what Wells said together with what Yee said and Brady did in fact give them what they wanted in addition to Wells saying "we said keep the phone" which he did say at the press conference, does Brady have a defamation suit here?

My coworker had an iPhone, went to an Samsung, hated it, cycled through it, and went back to a new iPhone.

PatsWickedPissah said:

I do agree that Brady's team of Kessler & Co have been outmaneuvered by the league's lawyers/advisors on the cell phone brouhaha. It's their job to anticipate and counter before the issue goes viral.

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The Commissioner* and his minions are experts at public relations, so that is the game that they are playing. The are spin doctors and have worked the timing and twisting of words to get maximum impact in assailing Brady and the Patriots.

Brady's team are experts at the law and have noticeably been parsimonious in their statements. They are practicing the art of giving the NFL rope with which to hang themselves. They are minimally active in the public relations front, because in the end the legal end game will be enforced. That will have maximal public relations impact in the end.

Brady and his team have clearly lost some battles, but in each loss the NFL has wrapped more rope around its own neck. The more they talk, the corner into which they have painted themselves gets tighter and tighter. Each time they talk, they show their hand. Notice each time they have to change the essence of their argument? Ball Weight! Ball Pressure! Deflator! Uncooperative! Destroyer! etc. They are spinning fast and furious. Soon they will be puking all over the court room.

I have faith that Brady and team will win the war.