WTH..Vikings-Panthers Goodell statement

Goodell's statement:
"The conduct at issue here is also very different from the ball-warming incident in Minnesota last year, in which a Carolina Panthers ball attendant was observed warming a ball on the Vikings' sideline; there was no evidence of any intentional attempt to violate or circumvent the rules, no player involvement, and no effort to conceal the ball attendant's conduct. As (NFL executive VP of football operations) Mr. (Troy) Vincent testified, the ball never got into the game and the matter "was addressed immediately."

In Goodell's bizarro world, video evidence = no evidence! Again, it is one tape..we saw it. On the other hand, a text message with the world deflator = direct, hard evidence of a 'scheme' that has apparently been going on for years.

What other reason would the attendant be heating the ball than to circumvent the rule?
How did the NFL know that there was no player or staff involvement? Was there an 'independent' investigation into the Panthers' organization? If not, why not?

PugBrady said:

With the idiot Volin jumping on this issue, I had to address this.

"The conduct at issue here is also very different from the ball-warming incident in Minnesota last year, in which a Carolina Panthers ball attendant was observed warming a ball on the Vikings' sideline; there was no evidence of any intentional attempt to violate or circumvent the rules, no player involvement, and no effort to conceal the ball attendant's conduct. As (NFL executive VP of football operations) Mr. (Troy) Vincent testified, the ball never got into the game and the matter "was addressed immediately."

In Goodell's bizarro world, video evidence = no evidence and a text message with the world deflator = direct, hard evidence. What other reason would the attendant be heating the ball than the circumvent the rule?

How did the NFL know that there was no player or staff involvement? Was there an 'independent' investigation into the Panther's organization? If not, why?

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Well see, it was caught on video. We all know that Goodell's never seen the video, or even knew it existed.

Soooo if the ball guy had been caught on video leaking air, this would have been dealt with immediately with a "hey stop that please"?

Sorry Rodger I don't buy it.

Honestly, why does anyone give that turd any clicks?

Dude is a loser!!! Double LL

PugBrady said:

With the idiot Volin jumping on this issue, I had to address this.

"The conduct at issue here is also very different from the ball-warming incident in Minnesota last year, in which a Carolina Panthers ball attendant was observed warming a ball on the Vikings' sideline; there was no evidence of any intentional attempt to violate or circumvent the rules, no player involvement, and no effort to conceal the ball attendant's conduct. As (NFL executive VP of football operations) Mr. (Troy) Vincent testified, the ball never got into the game and the matter "was addressed immediately."

In Goodell's bizarro world, video evidence = no evidence and a text message with the world deflator = direct, hard evidence. What other reason would the attendant be heating the ball than the circumvent the rule?

How did the NFL know that there was no player or staff involvement? Was there an 'independent' investigation into the Panthers' organization? If not, why?

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I also love that soft tone. It's only a mere "warming" incident. Passive verb tense throughout to boot. "Observed", "Adressed", "Was" etc. Just a mere incident, I say.

Nothing like "Harrumph! TB destroyed his phone. Harrumph!" Note the difference.

Harrumph!

PugBrady said:

With the idiot Volin jumping on this issue, I had to address this.

"The conduct at issue here is also very different from the ball-warming incident in Minnesota last year, in which a Carolina Panthers ball attendant was observed warming a ball on the Vikings' sideline; there was no evidence of any intentional attempt to violate or circumvent the rules, no player involvement, and no effort to conceal the ball attendant's conduct. As (NFL executive VP of football operations) Mr. (Troy) Vincent testified, the ball never got into the game and the matter "was addressed immediately."

In Goodell's bizarro world, video evidence = no evidence and a text message with the world deflator = direct, hard evidence. What other reason would the attendant be heating the ball than the circumvent the rule?

How did the NFL know that there was no player or staff involvement? Was there an 'independent' investigation into the Panthers' organization? If not, why?

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This same verbiage would only need to be altered slightly to fit what BB was so severely punished for in Spygate.

The Gr8est said:

This same verbiage would only need to be altered slightly to fit what BB was so severely punished for in Spygate.

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Beat me to it. He is exactly describing spygate. And for all the people screaming that Brady should just admit wrongdoing ("oops, my bad, I wasn't clear on the rules, I did it") and he'd get off easy, that's also exactly what belichick did and look what happened. The NFLs motives are now completely transparent to me.

I stated another thread that the last line looks like evidence of a sting. If when the balls disappeared and they decided to use the back up balls or retest the balls, then the case against the Pats would be less because they didn't use them in the game and the issue was addressed immediately. Now that they didn't, it is the reasoning for the harsh punishment.

PugBrady said:

With the idiot Volin jumping on this issue, I had to address this.

"The conduct at issue here is also very different from the ball-warming incident in Minnesota last year, in which a Carolina Panthers ball attendant was observed warming a ball on the Vikings' sideline; there was no evidence of any intentional attempt to violate or circumvent the rules, no player involvement, and no effort to conceal the ball attendant's conduct. As (NFL executive VP of football operations) Mr. (Troy) Vincent testified, the ball never got into the game and the matter "was addressed immediately."

In Goodell's bizarro world, video evidence = no evidence and a text message with the world deflator = direct, hard evidence. What other reason would the attendant be heating the ball than the circumvent the rule?

How did the NFL know that there was no player or staff involvement? Was there an 'independent' investigation into the Panthers' organization? If not, why?

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If a ball is cold, and you violate the rules by warming it, how is that not an intentional attempt to violate the rules?
If the argument is the Dorito Dink wouldn't do anything to a ball without Bradys knowledge how are we saying there was no player involvement here?

That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard - the attendant did it on their own ?

You guys realize why Goodell is even bringing this up. Obviously it was brought up in the appeal process, otherwise it wouldn't even be mentioned. None of the sheep (media) brought this up in any interviews with Goodell about football manipulation. Obviously someone brought it up as , hey if that happened, and it's on video, why are the rules and punishment (or lack thereof) be the same as with other teams.

With the Vikings/Panthers game, obviously video evidence has less weight than "more likely than not".

lol....why didn't Roger just bs and say the balls were 8 psi for the first half if he was going to pull crap like this? Why half ass this bs?

Froob said:

lol....why didn't Roger just bs and say the balls were 8 psi for the first half if he was going to pull crap like this? Why half ass this bs?

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Because none of the people in the NFL League Office took Chemistry class their sophomore year of high school?

What about the "Chargers sticky towels". (sounds like a porn film title) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...diego-chargers-fined-20k-by-nfl-in-towel-case

"NFL game officials are charged with protecting the integrity and competitive fairness of the games and club staff members, like players and coaches, have a clear obligation to cooperate in this effort and comply with the direction of game officials. As a result of the failure of club staff to follow the directive of a game official to immediately surrender the towels when directed to do so, and to attempt to conceal the towels, the Chargers have been fined $20,000."

Dr Pain said:

What about the "Chargers sticky towels". (sounds like a porn film title) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...diego-chargers-fined-20k-by-nfl-in-towel-case

"NFL game officials are charged with protecting the integrity and competitive fairness of the games and club staff members, like players and coaches, have a clear obligation to cooperate in this effort and comply with the direction of game officials. As a result of the failure of club staff to follow the directive of a game official to immediately surrender the towels when directed to do so, and to attempt to conceal the towels, the Chargers have been fined $20,000."

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Lol. Especially in SoCal. Lots of..ahem filming done there.

Dr Pain said:

What about the "Chargers sticky towels". (sounds like a porn film title) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...diego-chargers-fined-20k-by-nfl-in-towel-case

"NFL game officials are charged with protecting the integrity and competitive fairness of the games and club staff members, like players and coaches, have a clear obligation to cooperate in this effort and comply with the direction of game officials. As a result of the failure of club staff to follow the directive of a game official to immediately surrender the towels when directed to do so, and to attempt to conceal the towels, the Chargers have been fined $20,000."

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So, they manipulated the balls, the NFL knows they did and they refused to hand over the towels... how is this any different than what Tom is accused of doing? Other than the NFL actually has no hard evidence that Brady did anything?

The hilarious/sad/maddening thing with these three cases: let's say the Pats deflated the footballs 0.3 psi (worst case scenario) because that's the way Brady likes them. We KNOW the other two things happened.

All three are direct tampering with the football, so should be (in theory, but obviously not in Goodell's reality) penalized similarly. But which of the three garners the greatest advantage? Think about throwing the football around on a cold Thanksgiving, or a flag football game in December when it's freezing out. That ball is a ROCK (even though, curiously, by the igl it would be 'deflated'). It's hard and cold--tough to throw, hurts to catch. Warm that baby up and my god is that an advantage! Stickum goes without saying, the ball is flat-out tackier and easier to grip, both receiving and rushing.

0.3 psi from a football? How many videos did we see of people trying to tell ANY difference between 10.5 and 12.5 footballs? It's all but impossible to tell, even to ex-NFL quarterbacks.

So you tell me, which one is 'cheating', the warm, soft ball; the sticky, tacky ball or the...imperceptibly deflated ball? And of course we KNOW two of them happened and barely garnered a slap. The third is 'maybe kinda if you ignore the science' and it's the biggest story in the country for the past six months.

UGH, I HATE THIS!

The Panthers situation illustrates the total lack of established procedures when it comes to ball inflation pressures. Why would the Carolina attendant try to warm the balls? Because the cold deflated them. Had the league measured the balls in their deflated state, they would likely have fallen below the legal pressure requirement and would therefore be considered illegal. However, the attendant's attempt to rectify the situation by warming the balls to a legal level of inflation is also illegal. Catch 22!

Of course, had the Patriots done this, Commissioner Scheisskopf would have called the National Guard and issued shoot-to-kill orders.

PugBrady said:

With the idiot Volin jumping on this issue, I had to address this.

Goodell's statement:
"The conduct at issue here is also very different from the ball-warming incident in Minnesota last year, in which a Carolina Panthers ball attendant was observed warming a ball on the Vikings' sideline; there was no evidence of any intentional attempt to violate or circumvent the rules, no player involvement, and no effort to conceal the ball attendant's conduct. As (NFL executive VP of football operations) Mr. (Troy) Vincent testified, the ball never got into the game and the matter "was addressed immediately."

In Goodell's bizarro world, video evidence = no evidence and a text message with the world deflator = direct, hard evidence. What other reason would the attendant be heating the ball than the circumvent the rule?

How did the NFL know that there was no player or staff involvement? Was there an 'independent' investigation into the Panthers' organization? If not, why?

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Wait, so they accidentally stuck the balls under the heater?

Zeus said:

Why would the Carolina attendant try to warm the balls? Because the cold delfated them.

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Not to be too pedantic, but I think the actual motive is that a cold football is harder to grip.... which is ultimately a meaningless distinction since that is the exact same reason why Tom would have deflated a ball. Grip is the same reason why the Chargers manipulated the balls as well.

Only Roger Goodell could take actions that have identical motives and effects and conclude that two are harmless and one is worth the harshest penalty in league history.