Let's all forgive Bob Kraft

RhodyPatriot · Jul 29, 2015

THAT was a great speech which will leave a lasting mark on the Kraft/Goodell relationship.

Good job Robert Kraft. Welcome back!!

resdubwhite · Jul 29, 2015

I think the only avenue open to kraft is to go after goodell at every opportunity. Draft picks are gone.
Deliver Goodell Pash Kensil and Vincents heads on a stick and we're cool.

Wheelman · Jul 29, 2015

Is this a joke? Forgive Kraft? Why in the hell would I do that? He supports corruption! He proved that in the Ray Rice incident. The guy is corrupt just like the other 31 members of the group of greed and corruption as well as their greedy and corrupt organization the NFL*. Forgive Kraft? OMFG? Honestly? Nothing he does will allow me to forgive him. If he decides to ever become a good man and give up his corrupt behaviour good on him. It won't change how I feel about him and one of the most corrupt organizations in the world, the NFL*.

I hope the group of 32 and their front office suffers harshly! I want to see the NFL* implode. Then I'll go celebrate in front of their building! DOWN with the Tyrant! DOWN with the corrupt members of the NFL*!

I'm here to support Bill Belichick's football team. Why is this site even called patsfans? It should be called www.BillBelichickfootballteamfans.com or www.BBfootballteamfans.com for short. I'm out after BB and TB retire. F*ck the Patriots. And F*ck the NFL*. I'm here for Bill Belichick's football team.

Edit: Just watching BB presser. BB is god! haha totally expected but still awesome to see everytime.

The Gr8est · Jul 29, 2015

Tunescribe said:
Here is where I have a VERY hard time with today's statement:

Bob says, "I truly believe what I did in May given the actual evidence of this situation and the league’s history on discipline matters would make it much easier for the league to exonerate Tom Brady. Unfortunately I was wrong.”

I do not get this line of reasoning or what he means by "given the actual evidence." So he was willing to accept unprecedented, unfair punishment for doing nothing wrong (as acknowledged by the Wells Report regarding the team specifically) in the hope that Brady would be exonerated for also doing nothing wrong? Or, did he believe the league has "actual evidence" of wrongdoing and that accepting insane punishment on behalf of the team would make Goodell go all mushy and let Brady off the hook?

You have to like Kraft's resumption of a defiant tone. But what does it really mean at this stage? All I'm seeing is a too-little, too-late attempt at purely rhetorical face-saving with the fan base. He's feeling the heat and wants us to forgive him for capitulating and bungling things badly. I need to see some sort of ACTION behind these spicy words before I forgive PudgeBob ShortPants.

Could just mean, as was suggested before the Superbowl, that Jonathan had his ear and convinced him to speak up.

Seems like it wasn't really Bob's idea before, it remains to be seen whose idea it was this time.

Actions speak louder than words.

50-yard-line · Jul 29, 2015

I did not realize this (from Kraft's statement)

"And we had already provided the league with every cellphone of every non-NFLPA that they requested, including head coach Bill Belichick."

Guess I understand why Wells specifically called out BB as innocent - also makes me think that the NyFL was trying to use this case to essentially break the union (give us your phone, Tom Brady, and we'll play nice).

No doubt in my mind now that a big part of this was about that little ol' 2011 thingy:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-name-in-antitrust-case-could-hurt-his-image/

and NEVER about air in footballs. Consider the implications to future player/league disputes if Tom F***ing Brady had handed over his phone in this case. The 'if-you-got-nothing-to-hide..." attack would be relentless.

Forgive Kraft?

Ask me on 4/28/2016. If I'm NOT watching the NFL draft, then there's your answer.

Clonamery · Jul 29, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Perfect examples of how people are suckers. Bob wins. He gets away with throwing Tom Brady under the bus because people will buy just about anything.

Good job guys.

Yeah.

Actions, Bob, actions not words, will SHOW that you are with Brady (and us fans).

NEPats1 · Jul 29, 2015

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There was no deal in May. Reported that then. He can't act scorned. Kraft was hoping that would earn pts. Trying now to save face to fans

RayClay · Jul 29, 2015

borg said:
Churchill and Truman negotiated with Stalin, in good faith (LMAO), and Eastern Europe lived under oppression for the next half century. Despite Stalin's notorious history of death and imprisonment in the goulags for tens of millions, despite Stalin's pacts with the Hiltler in the late 30's that opened the door for the Nazi invasion of Poland, the US and UK afforded standing to Stalin at Potsdam......and half a continent learned first hand the consequences of short sighted negotiations with a desperate leader. Sound familiar?
Kraft was hoodwinked, he was naive, he was inept....and he discarded the#1 rule in negotiations: never relinquish leverage. Once Bob deferred to a desperate commissioner, all he had left was "words"......and that's what we saw today..........useless words.
For those so wanting a feel good moment of forgiveness.....have at it. Forgiving incompetence is not one of my strengths.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
I wish he would have added a statement that

“Roger Goodell is not welcome in our stadium for the opening game, or for any other NFL game at Gillette Stadium. He obviously has the right to attend should he wish to do so, but we do not welcome the presence of ANY NFL personnel who have contributed to this miscarriage of justice, including Mr. Goodell.”

Man, some people are silly.

RayClay · Jul 29, 2015

Dr Pain said:
Bob can still sue the NFL. There is nothing stopping him.

For what?

Brewskies · Jul 29, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Odds are if there are any actions, we won't see it. My guess is Kraft will be working other owners to turn them against Goodell. All the talk that Goodell won over the owners with Deflategate rulings, is short-lived. It isn't like owners who were shaky on Goodell all the sudden thinks he is great because he came down hard on the Pats. They may happy as pigs in crap right now, but the next time Goodell does something unpopular they will be against him again.

I seriously doubt Kraft will sue the league. Just isn't his style. His forte and best way for revenge is his negotiation skills working the owners one on one or in small groups and staging a coupe. It isn't instant gratification, but may be a more effective revenge against Goodell, Pash, Kensil, and others. A lawsuit is a loser for the league unless they can uncover a smoking gun like who leaked the 2 PSI bogus rumor to Mortensen.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Kraft is done with his statement. But his best way he knows how to attack is working the phones and handshake deals, not going to court. Right or wrong.

I agree under normal circumstances that is the way he would work, behind the scenes. But a message needs to be sent to the haters and all others that the Pats are willing to fight back. That's why I said bring a law suit knowing from the get go it is a loser. Gains mileage for the Pats nationwide.

DarrylS · Jul 29, 2015

If nothing else Mr. Kraft has taken a stand on this matter, and although he was naive to believe that his actions would positively impact Tom Brady.... have never really hated him, but he has moved the favorability meter to the positive side..

The battle lines have been drawn, everybody our side is right, and everybody on Goodell's side is wrong.. (Sorry Buffalo Springfield)...

Bella*chick · Jul 29, 2015

I liked the statement but I do agree that given the hideousness of yesterday he knew he had to say something because the fans were going to be going nuclear. A lot of people (including my dad) thought that there was some sort of reduction deal in place and that's why Kraft rolled over in May. I tried to tell him he was wrong. I'm sure my dad wasn't the only one. Additionally, this ruling just made Kraft look incredibly meek and stupid (which is exactly what he DID look like in May, whether he thought he was some great compromiser or not). I'm sure he is personally feeling very angry.

Ross12 · Jul 29, 2015

Anyone else notice how Kraft looked like he was very close to crying? Sounded so down too. I saw a close-up image on a website and his eyes are glossy as hell.

Or maybe he was still drunk from his morning champagne. Could go either way I guess.

FirstAndGoal · Jul 29, 2015

Forgive him for being a fool and hurting Brady while failing to secure leverage. People just want to forgive. He weakened Brady,the team, and the brand with his stupidity. Now he wants to take it back? Lol. Suckers

everlong · Jul 29, 2015

I think Bob is trying to lure a new business into Patriot Place. Silence, angry support, capitulation......rinse and repeat. Let's see how long he sticks with it or maybe, just maybe, the light has gone on that the other 31 only care about themselves and the NFL Offices are stacked against his franchise which is the NE Patriots not the NFL itself. I'll withhold forgiveness to see if he has the fortitude to see this through.

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PatriotsReign · Jul 29, 2015

wolverinejoe80 said:
ok, that did it. He is off the list. Great job, mr. kraft. I forgive you.

I was frustrated with those that were upset with Kraft because none of us have a clue what it's like to run several major corporations. All fans know is their emotional reaction.

I'll stand by Robert Kraft as I have since he arrived. The man has integrity and humlity...2 very rare qualities you won't find in many at his level of success.

Bella*chick · Jul 29, 2015

I wish he had said something directly harsher to Goodell specifically and god knows that douche needs to be gone yesterday but I'm not sure how wise it would be to publicly say you are going after his job. Maybe a statement directly referencing Goodell's various bungles as Commissioner. Again, this would go down easier if he hadn't publicly SUPPORTED the job he was doing during the Ray Rice fiasco. And behind the scenes he better be working in some way to remove this clown. Otherwise this all means nothing.

Schmo · Jul 29, 2015

I live in denver where both of the owners' sons beat women. Yet everyone here overlooks those major character flaws at the heart of the organization. Obviously many of you know that many other owners aren't exactly great people either.

Mr. Kraft is guilty of bland and hard to swallow, yet well-intentioned politicking. Everyone that knows Brady shouldn't be painted in the same (or worse) light as Greg Hardy and Ray Rice should know that Mr. Kraft is not worthy of our wrath.

This is the way I've felt through the whole thing, and I'm glad a lot of our fans are coming around.

TheBeers · Jul 29, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Perfect examples of how people are suckers. Bob wins. He gets away with throwing Tom Brady under the bus because people will buy just about anything.

Good job guys.

I accept his apology, you don't.. That's cool. He seemed sincere to me. I would like to see some action though. We have already heard a strong statement from him once, and he backtracked on it.

The Brandon Five · Jul 29, 2015

patsfan13 said:
He stood up like a man and admitted the he F'd up. He ripped the league for stabbing him in the back. He brought up the lie leaked to Mortenson that went uncorrected.

Great Performance.

I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind about suing the league.

He should have mentioned the letter from Gardi that outright lied about 10.1 psi. That links the damn lies right back to the league. Goodell and the rest of the Jets cabal is going down. Goodell is employed by billionaires. Kraft IS a billionaire.

Let's all forgive Bob Kraft

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