How I Feel - MERGED (by accident - Ian) Brady Suspension Upheld

james87654 · Jul 29, 2015

lol

biding my time

waiting for the right moment to strike and remind everyone that i am still the resident jackass around here

just wait until Jimmy G plays......i will be on full-time duty then

Deus Irae · Jul 29, 2015

Joker said:
James!!!....the man, the myth, the masochist!

where ya been pal?

The troll's back? Well, given the day, it makes sense.

Joker · Jul 29, 2015

curiously...Interdasting the "Objective Pats Fan" is nowhere to be found. Odd.

SVN · Jul 29, 2015

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...gate-crime-refusing-to-play-ball-with-goodell

Goodell goes to great lengths in his decision to prepare for as much, with footnotes devoted to debunking many of the arguments Brady's legal team raised, whether it be related to the fairness of the appeal process, or how much access Goodell should have to his phone, or to the veracity of the science in Ted Wells' report. A good portion of this decision serves as a proactive volley seeking to negate the many ways in which this process will be attacked in court. It also goes to lengths to point out just how much of the scope of Goodell's powers are collectively bargained and outlined in the CBA between the league and its players, knowing full well that such documents generally hold great weight in a courtroom.

Above all else, however, one gets the sense that Goodell feels as if he, and this disciplinary process, are being trifled with by Brady. And that never sits well with him. There was one particular passage in the conclusion where I could almost envision Goodell seething, stopping just short of writing -- who the hell do you think you're fooling? And who the hell do you think you're messing with?

And the passage relates to what was the central theme of the entire ruling: If Brady wasn't behind the illegal deflating of balls, then why go to such lengths to make sure the contents of your cell phone were unobtainable? At least, unless securing access through the various parties he had communicated with on it during the time in question (Brady's legal team offered to provide a list of all of those individuals).

This sounds like a man who is beyond exasperated. Goodell also does well to attempt to equate the actions of illegally deflating a football with that of a first-time PED user, in that it seeks a competitive balance and, per the CBA, is a four-game fine. Which is "consistent" with Brady's ruling. And Goodell's goes on to note that while the NFL's game-day operations manual calls for a $25,000 fine for deflating balls, it does not preclude other ancillary discipline (and boy did we get some here).

Goodell's tone reads to me like a guy who, if in his eyes Brady would have just played ball or accepted some responsibility or had not done this bit with his phone, maybe there could have been a deal to be struck. But Goodell and Brady's lawyer, Jeffrey Kessler, don't see eye-to-eye on much, and given Brady's stance of accepting no culpability, it's no surprise that settlement talks went nowhere.

wow.

NJPatsfan26 · Jul 29, 2015

SVN said:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...gate-crime-refusing-to-play-ball-with-goodell

wow.

Holy ****

slash83 · Jul 29, 2015

Did anyone actually think RG would reduce the number of games to zero, no way in hell that was going to happen. Last few days they were trying to get Brady to take a 1 or 2 game suspension but Brady never budged which is why RG said screw it might as well show how much of a tough guy I am and keep it at 4 since your going to go federal court.

DarrylS · Jul 29, 2015

Joker said:
curiously...Interdasting the "Objective Pats Fan" is nowhere to be found. Odd.

New word, hopefully I can remember this for future use.. probably not.

Have tried to figure out my feelings from the onset, first of course there was shock and now there has to be more to this story... Brady would not just destroy a cellphone because he felt like it, he did it after he consulted with his legal team as part of a strategy.. and the NFL in their overreach released the information without qualification..

Brady et al are setting up the NFL for a massive fail in Court... maybe the strategy was that he could not appeal the initial decision as that was an agreed upon process(between the NFL and NFLPA) but had a better chance of appeal for the cell phone issue..

Have contended all along that if the NFL had Jeremsky and McNally's phone, why did the need Brady's??? Aside from prurient interest, possible release to TMZ or the belief that the NFL can just trample on players rights..

RobertWeathers · Jul 29, 2015

slash83 said:
Did anyone actually think RG would reduce the number of games to zero, no way in hell that was going to happen. Last few days they were trying to get Brady to take a 1 or 2 game suspension but Brady never budged which is why RG said screw it might as well show how much of a tough guy I am and keep it at 4 since your going to go federal court.

I figured two which sounds like was on the table as long as TB12 admits guilt and sells out Jaz and McNally.

Good for Tom.

YOUGOTMOSSED · Jul 29, 2015

slash83 said:
Did anyone actually think RG would reduce the number of games to zero, no way in hell that was going to happen. Last few days they were trying to get Brady to take a 1 or 2 game suspension but Brady never budged which is why RG said screw it might as well show how much of a tough guy I am and keep it at 4 since your going to go federal court.

I actually did! Figured that was the best way for them to keep this out of court.

Now it's all about legal maneuvering. Sadly, this season is going to be a complete sh*tshow.

vyrago · Jul 29, 2015

upstater1 said:
I would have purposely destroyed it for exactly the reason I already have given. I don't want people prying into my billion dollar personal life.

But regardless, legally, he's fine here. Someone's personal phone is not part of any discovery process. It is not even part of the CBA. So this isn't even a matter of destroying evidence. In fact, for this very reason, I would bet you that a good attorney would have advised him to destroy it.

So this was the purpose of the highly publicized trip to NYC while the rest of the team was in D.C. meeting the POTUS? To get a new phone which necessitated the destruction of an old one? Just asking.

vyrago · Jul 29, 2015

PatsFan98117 said:
If Aaron Hernandez and his attorney didn't have to turn over his cellphone for a murder trial, then by what logical leap can anyone suggest that Brady had any obligation to turn over his cellphone? Once your attorney looks at your cellphone, it is protected by attorney-client privilege, so says the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...-second-day/cSEkBkEawf8WPLocB8tqJL/story.html

Hey, that was just murder. This is important--it's football, Patriots football.

PatsFanSince74 · Jul 29, 2015

letekro said:
Goodell and Vincent don't do anything other than tell their lawyers what they generally want. Their lawyers do everything else--write everything, devise strategy, etc. And they have done a good job making Brady look pretty bad with limited evidence.

Dr. Pain's post is not on point, but off base, for the same reason virtually everyone else in here is off base--Wells never requested Brady's phone:

"Similarly, although Tom Brady appeared for a requested interview and answered
questions voluntarily, he declined to make available any documents or electronic information
(including text messages and emails) that we requested, even though those requests were limited
to the subject matter of our investigation (such as messages concerning the preparation of game
balls, air pressure of balls, inflation of balls or deflation of balls) and we offered to allow Brady‟s
counsel to screen and control the production so that it would be limited strictly to responsive
materials and would not involve our taking possession of Brady‟s telephone or other electronic
devices."

Wells Report, p. 21.

And, Brady, in absence of the requested information's availability on the phone itself, gave Wells' team the phone numbers (no doubt from the monthly statement) to which the "relevant" texts were sent so they could track them down. The Wells team said that it was too much work to track them down.

Which brings us back to Dr. Pain's point.

I don't know whether this was the "sting" that Dr. Pain suggests it was (that might be a reach), but it is not "off base" to argue that Brady tried to comply with the request as you have stated it and that Goodell has now ventured into the area of Unfair Labor Practices by punishing Brady for doing something that constituted a private action in regard to a privately owned device that he was not required to surrender in the first place.

I'm afraid that even Florio pointed this out today. (I truly feel that I have gone Down the Rabbit Hole when I am referencing Florio in a positive manner.)

The bottom line is that this is all a distraction that one who is sympathetic to Brady, as am I, might even call a "self-inflicted wound," but it does not change the facts on the ground about the underlying allegations and lack of proof that anything actually happened. If we believe Dr. Pain, it was orchestrated by Brady and the NFLPA to "sucker" Goodell into making it part of his findings; I'm not ready to go that far, but his basic point is valid.

PatsFanSince74 · Jul 29, 2015

vyrago said:
Hey, that was just murder. This is important--it's football, Patriots football.

Yeah, somebody had to tape the gun behind the toilet in the washroom!

Ring 6 · Jul 29, 2015

RhodyPatriot said:
I agree with you Andy. The NFL was never going to see the contents of the phone. So why did Brady destroy it and then claim that was his usual practice with his phones which we know is a lie because he admitted to still having some of his old phones.

That is not what the man who owned the phone said.

Why would a guy whose own reputation and legacy means so much to him act out this way??

The phone was never going to be seen. He handed over the communications from it. Destroying it is irrelevant.

Tom isn't dumb. He has to know how this looks. Why would he destroy THAT phone???

Why wouldn't he? No one was ever going to see it. He could walk around with it stapled to his forehead, and they still couldn't get access to it. Destroying it is meaningless.

I defended Tom Brady as much as anyone throughout this whole mess.

My palpable dislike of Roger Goodell and the corrupt league office he runs has not changed one bit.

My view of Tom Brady has and it kills me to feel this way after believing in him and defending him at every turn lo these many months.

Then you need to reconsider the facts.

Ring 6 · Jul 29, 2015

slash83 said:
Did anyone actually think RG would reduce the number of games to zero, no way in hell that was going to happen. Last few days they were trying to get Brady to take a 1 or 2 game suspension but Brady never budged which is why RG said screw it might as well show how much of a tough guy I am and keep it at 4 since your going to go federal court.

If it wasn't zero it was going to court. Clearly Goodell was fighting the court case while he was supposed to be judging the appeal, so there was no way he was reducing it to give credence to the court case.

signbabybrady · Jul 30, 2015

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