Breaking: TB12 Authorizes Federal Court Case!

Archeryaddict12 said:

I'm losing faith not that I think he's guilty but this hasn't ever turned our way. Sucks seein an innocent man be struck down like this

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It hasn't gone "our way" because the NFL has been in charge this entire time. Wells was not an independent third party. Goodell is not an independent arbitrator. ESPN is not an independent media outlet.

But I have faith in the Courts. More importantly, I have faith in Jeffrey Kessler being a damn good attorney. Tom's in good hands.

MagicMarker said:

Munson's belief that the evidence of tampering is powerful shows he's not followed any of the contradictory reports. If he had said the evidence of deflation is iffy, but the NFL was not reckless in determining it, I'd have more respect for him. This just reads like he's a hack.

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He is a hack. He's a disbarred lawyer who ESPN touts as a "legal analyst", when all he actually does is parrot popular opinion, and attempt to make it sound "legal-y".

JMC00 said:

Shocker espn stooge lester munson saying that Brady will lose in court. listen to the dipshit's reason

No, Brady will not succeed. Although he enjoys top-of-the-line legal representation and his lawyers will file a brilliantly written lawsuit, his effort to stop the suspension is doomed. There are two reasons why: First, federal judges are reluctant to reconsider the rulings of arbitrators; second, Goodell produced a decision on Brady that is brilliantly reasoned, meticulously detailed, and well-written. Goodell's recitation of the evidence of the tampering with game balls is powerful, and his description of Brady's attempt at a cover-up is persuasive.

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Please translate this to Latin and send it back in time 2,000 years, so that feasting Romans can be spared the effort of finding the feather to tickle their throats when they wish to make room at the vomitorium.

The NFLPA's suit focuses on the capricious conduct of the NFL* throughout the "in-house" case. I saw this yesterday in their statement, but right now (limited time) can only find the NFLPA rep speaking about the "potential" suit in a WaPo article - I think they were pretty much the same bullet-points:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-nfl-patriots-qb-could-possibly-start-week-1/

- NFL manual with procedures on equipment is for Eq. handlers, not players
- Wells Report's "general awareness" standard is legally too low of a bar
- The NFL had no procedure or standard for measuring the pressure of balls until 2 days ago
etc.

I won't keep going b/c I am starting to be tempted to talk about what I thought I remembered from the article right in front of me on the NFLPA announcement - somebody dig it up, gotta go to work.

The argument now shifts from "Brady did X, Y, and Z" to "Your procedures in this case have been a sham from the beginning" (the NFLPA's point). Yes, it still matters if Brady smashed a phone, if you have 5 texts or something out of thousands that make the equipment staff look back (if there's no explanation,) etc. But even without vindication of Brady/the Pats, the case can result in the NFL* getting a black eye, because the way that Goodell pursued this can be ruled to violate the CBA, because they're improperly punishing players, etc.

I get that Patriots fans are like "Court! Court! Court!" I can't even argue against it. I don't buy the thing about the phone (yet) because they habitually have publicized half-truths... what I've read has been the NFL* account of what Brady said in an NFL* interview (including the periodically trashing phones explanation). We'll see if more emerges about that.

What can happen now is that the main problem, leading to the main penalty (not the suspension, but the confiscation of draft picks) can squiggle out in court.

The lawyers here can speculate on whether there's a glimmer of a chance of a re-flip-flop by Kraft, if he smells blood; I doubt it. Probably wishful thinking.

Brady and the League* both get bloodied in this process. The NFL* should take its lumps for this.

What's most galling about the whole thing to me is the same underlying "presto chango" routine the NFL* pulled in 2007: Elevating something previously uncared about to apocalyptic penalty status. This time they actually used the last time as part of their criteria for penalizing.

So I guess yeah, I'm ready to see the way they do this challenged.

With the understanding that the NFL has filed in District Court, wouldn't a Superior / Supreme Court Case in Minnesota take precedence?

reflexblue said:

I don't believe the phone revelation, i think goodell is lying again. If brady distroyed his phone it would have been brought up months ago, it would have been in the wells report.

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It couldn't have been in the Wells report since it supposedly was "destroyed" the day the Wells report was released.

DaBruinz said:

It couldn't have been in the Wells report since it supposedly was "destroyed" the day the Wells report was released.

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Its still hard to believe something of this magnitude would have been withheld for so long. I don't believe brady 'destroyed' his phone. Destroyed sounds like he took a hammer to it, he may have just gotten a new phone, which goodell turned into 'destroyed' to make it sound nefarious

libra957 said:

I feel like he and his team failed to plan ahead among many other mistakes, now the NFL has the upper hand.

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Explain. Because you've said really nothing to support your claim..

libra957 said:

Why destroy your phone then admit it during an appeal? As soon as his legal council found about that destroyed phone, the strategy should have been about damage control. The snow ball is getting bigger and bigger.

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It's already been pointed out that the cell phone wasn't destroyed in that sense. Furthermore, they provided EVERYTHING that was on the phone that the league asked for in a LEGAL document that was certified by Brady's carrier as being genuine and complete. That document makes the condition of the phone irrelevant.
Your posts show a complete lack of understanding of the legal system and the situation..

DaBruinz said:

It's already been pointed out that the cell phone wasn't destroyed in that sense. Furthermore, they provided EVERYTHING that was on the phone that the league asked for in a LEGAL document that was certified by Brady's carrier as being genuine and complete. That document makes the condition of the phone irrelevant.
Your posts show a complete lack of understanding of the legal system and the situation..

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The narrative out there, then, is not being countered very effectively. In defense of libra, at least regarding this post... I haven't dived into our threads too deeply either, so what's "already pointed out" might just mean a lower time commitment here.

To go by what's already out there... this is (not surprisingly) nothing like the narrative in the media right now. Goodell/the NFL* is kicking the ass of anybody putting out this info, but only if you go by the objective of "win in the media."

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 14m14 minutes ago
Judge Richard Kyle drew the Brady/NFLPA v. NFL case in Minnesota. Lawyer friend pointed out he's a Bush appointee. That's good for the NFL.

TommyBrady12 said:

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 14m14 minutes ago
Judge Richard Kyle drew the Brady/NFLPA v. NFL case in Minnesota. Lawyer friend pointed out he's a Bush appointee. That's good for the NFL.

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Of course it is.

The NY Judge is a Clinton (pro-labor?) appointee

TommyBrady12 said:

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 14m14 minutes ago
Judge Richard Kyle drew the Brady/NFLPA v. NFL case in Minnesota. Lawyer friend pointed out he's a Bush appointee. That's good for the NFL.

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And Doty was appointed by Reagan, so what? I'd ask what Breer's point is, but I'm 100% sure that he doesn't have one.

Doesn't it seem like Breed is routing for the NFL?

Just read the Don Yee says... thread re: the cell phone. Caught up now.

and what that little puke breer won't tell you is that when Kyle drew the anti-trust case vs the nfl during the lockout he recused himself.

JMC00 said:

and what that little puke breer won't tell you is that when Kyle drew the anti-trust case vs the nfl during the lockout he recused himself.

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so brady's not getting a fair shot??? seems like nothing is going our way during this dumb process

Gronkowski123 said:

so brady's not getting a fair shot??? seems like nothing is going our way during this dumb process

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The hell are you talking about?

I guess this is the presiding judge during Ventura's defamation suite against American Sniper Chris Kyle.

Edited for the jury ruling.