So what has Brady been hiding?

TommyD4207 said:

https://twitter.com/RachelGBowers/status/626144552001368064/photo/1

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Lol. Nice try. Providing a list of people who (unlike Brady) have no incentive to turn over the texts and no reason to cooperate is a far cry from turning over the texts thremselves. Getting absurd in here.

letekro said:

Lol. Nice try. Providing a list of people who (unlike Brady) have no incentive to turn over the texts and no reason to cooperate is a far cry from turning over the texts thremselves. Getting absurd in here.

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Your post is absurd, so this is a bit pot/kettle.

Hoodie said:

check out Don Yee's statement. It's posted in another thread.

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Yee is obviously referring to whats described in footnote 12 of the Goodell decision. That has nothing to do with providing texts and was a failed attempt by Team Brady to be cute with the cooperation concept. Bradys legal and PR team has been dominated at every stage of this fiasco.

letekro said:

Lol. Nice try. Providing a list of people who (unlike Brady) have no incentive to turn over the texts and no reason to cooperate is a far cry from turning over the texts thremselves. Getting absurd in here.

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They said they didn't want his phone, just the relevant texts. They got that but now they want the phone.

sambam94 said:

that just states that Brady would turn over the names of people he text..not the actual texts.

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Because god forbid the NFL have to do some actual investigating over the course of its 5 month, $5M investigation.

Deus Irae said:

Your post is absurd, so this is a bit pot/kettle.

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Well lets get real then Deus. Youre a lawyer. You receive a discovery request that you know will produce nothing helpful to the other side. Do you: a. Produce the useless data or b. Risk sanctions to ur client by refusing to turn over the data and/or make the other side run through unreasonable hoops to get it? If there really was nothing inculpatory in thise texts, then Team Brady committed malpractice by not turning over the texts. That may be the case, but i think it is far more likely that they knew the texts were inculpatory and took steps to ensure that no one would ever see them.

letekro said:

Well lets get real then Deus. Youre a lawyer. You receive a discovery request that you know will produce nothing helpful to the other side. Do you: a. Produce the useless data or b. Risk sanctions to ur client by refusing to turn over the data and/or make the other side run through unreasonable hoops to get it? If there really was nothing inculpatory in thise texts, then Team Brady committed malpractice by not turning over the texts. That may be the case, but i think it is far more likely that they knew the texts were inculpatory and took steps to ensure that no one would ever see them.

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1. There was no requirement that they turn over the phone.
   
2. You pretty much never turn over information you don't have to.

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letekro said:

Well lets get real then Deus. Youre a lawyer. You receive a discovery request that you know will produce nothing helpful to the other side. Do you: a. Produce the useless data or b. Risk sanctions to ur client by refusing to turn over the data and/or make the other side run through unreasonable hoops to get it? If there really was nothing inculpatory in thise texts, then Team Brady committed malpractice by not turning over the texts. That may be the case, but i think it is far more likely that they knew the texts were inculpatory and took steps to ensure that no one would ever see them.

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I like when non-lawyers try to sound like lawyers.

There should be no "sanctions" for not turning over private property that they have no right to. The 4th and 5th Amendments are still actual things.

BradyFTW! said:

Because god forbid the NFL have to do some actual investigating over the course of its 5 month, $5M investigation.

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The NFL couldnt recover all the texts from JJ and Bird. So, what help is Brady telling the league that he texted JJ and Bird? The league wanted to see the actual texts from Bradys phone so they could be sure they had all the texts between that group.

TommyD4207 said:

I like when non-lawyers try to sound like lawyers.

There should be no "sanctions" for not turning over private property that they have no right to. The 4th and 5th Amendments are still actual things.

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Your post makes no sense as this is not a criminal case and the NFL is not a state actor.

Wtf is being discussed here. This isn't a court, Wells isn't a judge. If some skeevy looking dude with a porn 'stache that you know hates you demanded your phone, would you turn it over? F*** no you wouldn't! You'd probably smash that **** on the pavement before you let him get at your private information. This is still the United States of America for god's sake. Ugh...

Ross12 said:

Wtf is being discussed here. This isn't a court, Wells isn't a judge. If some skeevy looking dude with a porn 'stache that you know hates you demanded your phone, would you turn it over? F*** no you wouldn't! You'd probably smash that **** on the pavement before you let him get at your private information. This is still the United States of America for god's sake. Ugh...

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Another winner

letekro said:

The NFL couldnt recover all the texts from JJ and Bird. So, what help is Brady telling the league that he texted JJ and Bird? The league wanted to see the actual texts from Bradys phone so they could be sure they had all the texts between that group.

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That's the NFL's problem, not Tom Brady's.

Jastremski and McNally had team-owned (and NFL-owned because of this) cellphones, and the NFL had a right to them, because they were property of the Patriots and the NFL.

Brady's cellphone belonged to Brady. Not the Patriots. Not the NFL. He was under no obligation to show anybody anything on his own cellphone.

The NFL had the texts from Jastremski and McNally. They also have any texts they might have shared with Tom Brady. They don't need Brady's phone for that.

No employer has any right to their employees' personal property for any reason.

If the NFL did a ****ty job of investigating, then that's the fault of the NFL. It's not Brady's responsibility to do their job for them, and moreover, it's not his responsibility to violate his own rights to do their job for them.

Ted Wells isn't a judge. This isn't a criminal case. This isn't Law and ****ing Order.

letekro said:

Your post makes no sense as this is not a criminal case and the NFL is not a state actor.

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Re-read his post. Then, think real hard on why your response is both foolish and conducive to his making his point, because it is.

letekro said:

Everyone on this board has blinders on. The NFL claims (and Team Brady has never refuted this) that the request was for Brady and his lawyers to sift through his emails and texts and hand over only those relevant to ball deflation. So, the thousands of posts on here about Brady not having to turn over his phone are completely irrelevant. The request was for relevant messages. The reasonable, logical man must assume that they wouldve been turned over if they were not inculpatory.

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Kindly tell us all whether or not you know that Brady did, or did not, say/write something along the lines of:

"None of the texts are about ball deflation"


in response to a request for such texts. If the truthful answer is "No, I don't know", and it is, you've got nothing to be talking about.

Deus Irae said:

1. There was no requirement that they turn over the phone.
   
2. You pretty much never turn over information you don't have to.

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Cool story. Bradys lawyers followed it to a "t" and the result is a couple million dollars in lost earnings and a ruined reputation. They capped it all off by advising him to dispose of the only evidence that could possibly exculpate him. Do i think they are bad lawyers? Nope. They were simply forced to choose the "least bad" of two very bad paths: 1. Turn over inculpatory evidence and remove all doubt of wrongdoing or 2. Withhold inculpatory evidence and face a stiff penalty but be able to hide behind a sliver of doubt.

letekro said:

Cool story. Bradys lawyers followed it to a "t" and the result is a couple million dollars in lost earnings and a ruined reputation. They capped it all off by advising him to dispose of the only evidence that could possibly exculpate him. Do i think they are bad lawyers? Nope. They were simply forced to choose the "least bad" of two very bad paths: 1. Turn over inculpatory evidence and remove all doubt of wrongdoing or 2. Withhold inculpatory evidence and face a stiff penalty but be able to hide behind a sliver of doubt.

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Your post basically says nothing, which is not surprising given your other posts today. If you've got nothing, and you've got exactly that, go fix something in your house instead of wasting people's time with attacks on them in response to you having nothing.

Deus Irae said:

Kindly tell us all whether or not you know that Brady did, or did not, say/write something along the lines of:

"None of the texts are about ball deflation"


in response to a request for such texts. If the truthful answer is "No, I don't know", and it is, you've got nothing to be talking about.

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If there were no responsive documents, Team Brady should make that clear. Their silence on the matter speaks volumes.

letekro said:

If there were no responsive documents, Team Brady should make that clear. Their silence on the matter speaks volumes.

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1. You can't prove the absence of documents.
   
2. Per the NFLPA statement: "The fact that the NFL would resort to basing a suspension on a smoke screen of irrelevant text messages instead of admitting that they have all of the phone records they asked for is a new low, even for them, but it does nothing to correct their errors."

Care to try again?

letekro said:

If there were no responsive documents, Team Brady should make that clear. Their silence on the matter speaks volumes.

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That's why court is for...

Unlike the NFL, the NFLPA doesn't have two cable networks to parrot and advocate for everything they say. Speaking to the media at this point before going to court is pretty pointless.

In other words, they'll make it clear to a judge. Not you. Guess which one matters?