How I Feel - MERGED (by accident - Ian) Brady Suspension Upheld

Deus Irae said:

I've read Goodell's decision. It's going to be fun hearing others as they find all the problems with it. I particularly enjoyed his attempts at staving off the NFLPA.

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Don't leave us hanging. What are the biggest flaws in your opinion

This is how I feel right now...

The phone revelation will give the anti-Patriots crowd a good week of Brady-bashing. Don't get baited by the "legacy forever tainted" articles. The longer this thing drags on, the more trivial the alleged infraction seems.

So looking at the headline news feed I see another anti-Pats boston mediot has spoken out (shocker). This time hack jackie macmullan (stick to basketball). Her rhetoric is laughable. basically says Brady should give up because she is tired of hiring about it.

Oh i'm sorry that you have to hear about it. But don't blame this thing on Brady, blame it on the nfl and the industry your work in, namely the company that employs you

All right, been thinking about this and bouncing it off labor people. Why would Bradly destroy a phone he is not even required to hand over. Here is a theory which makes sense.

The first reaction people will have is "Brady's getting his legal advice from Aaron Hernandez...destroying your phone on the day you are talking to Ted Wells is insane! But is Brady really Hernandez stupid?

Brady and his team are smart people... so the real question is why would they snub noses in such a fashion?

To get a response. What response? To get the decision centered on non-cooperation on the phone issue.

Why? Because demanding a private individual's phone is an unfair labor practice.

The Vincent decision didn't hit non-cooperation hard enough.

The NFL probably didn't even know Brady destroyed the phone until the appeal hearing. Brady could have just said "I'm not giving it to you". Instead he testifies "I destroyed it the day I went to Wells, so you aren't getting it."

Goodell loses his mind. Bases punishment on unfair labor practice. Rope-a-doped into it.

Collective bargaining agreement: court can't touch rules based interpretations. It does have jurisdiction to address unfair labor practices and violations of collective bargaining agreement

Brady's team just suckered the NFL into moving their punishment basis and report to an area which is 99.9% favorable to Brady by destroying a phone that Brady would never have been forced to turn over.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFL was willing to drop the suspension by “at least 50 percent” if Brady: (1) admitted to having knowledge of whatever John Jastremski and Jim McNally were doing to the footballs; (2) admitted to failing to cooperate with the Ted Wells investigation; and (3) apologized.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...reduction-in-exchange-for-admission-of-guilt/

Ok, so the NFL is now putting this out there. So, all of you crying about a trashed phone, put this in your pipe and smoke it.

Dr Pain said:

Brady and his team are smart people... so the real question is why would they snub noses in such a fashion?

To get a response. What response? To get the decision centered on non-cooperation on the phone issue.

Why? Because demanding a private individual's phone is an unfair labor practice.

The Vincent decision didn't hit non-cooperation hard enough.

The NFL probably didn't even know Brady destroyed the phone until the appeal hearing. Brady could have just said "I'm not giving it to you". Instead he testifies "I destroyed it the day I went to Wells, so you aren't getting it."

Goodell loses his mind. Bases punishment on unfair labor practice. Rope-a-doped into it.

Collective bargaining agreement: court can't touch rules based interpretations. It does have jurisdiction to address unfair labor practices and violations of collective bargaining agreement

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Hi everybody. This post is on point. Read it.

Neither Goodell nor Vincent are lawyers - but Goodell likes to think he is.

TommyD4207 said:

Hi everybody. This post is on point. Read it.

Neither Goodell nor Vincent are lawyers - but Goodell likes to think he is.

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Goodell and Vincent don't do anything other than tell their lawyers what they generally want. Their lawyers do everything else--write everything, devise strategy, etc. And they have done a good job making Brady look pretty bad with limited evidence.

Dr. Pain's post is not on point, but off base, for the same reason virtually everyone else in here is off base--Wells never requested Brady's phone:

"Similarly, although Tom Brady appeared for a requested interview and answered
questions voluntarily, he declined to make available any documents or electronic information
(including text messages and emails) that we requested, even though those requests were limited
to the subject matter of our investigation (such as messages concerning the preparation of game
balls, air pressure of balls, inflation of balls or deflation of balls) and we offered to allow Brady‟s
counsel to screen and control the production so that it would be limited strictly to responsive
materials and would not involve our taking possession of Brady‟s telephone or other electronic
devices."

Wells Report, p. 21.

And Florio is now basically mocking the destroyed phone angle:

“I very much look forward to hearing from Mr. Brady and to considering any new information or evidence that he may bring to my attention,” Goodell said last month. And so Brady admits that he has a habit of dismantling his phone when he buys a new one, he provides the full list of phone numbers with which the dismantled phone communicated, and Goodell nevertheless refuses to try to identify the persons with whom Brady exchanged message or to obtain the actual content of them, despite the commitment to considering “any new information or evidence.”

The league arguably opted not to track down the text messages or to match them up with text messages that the league already harvested from other phones, like the one used by John Jastremski, because the league already had the silver bullet it needed to win convincingly in the court of public opinion.

Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...red-to-help-nfl-gather-missing-text-messages/


Read the whole article. The media sheep didn't even stay herded for 12 hours, this time.

See you in court **** heads

Just mad all over again. Really pissed of with this off season thanks to the NFL

Deus...that link is HORRIFYING. Goodell is going to take a brief titled "Public Opinion Proves It!" and wave THAT in the face of a federal judge?

According to florio the phone thing 'could' effect how a judge choose to rule
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/28/nflpa-calls-brady-decision-outrageous/

But here’s the thing. If those are the arguments the NFLPA had previously planned to make on Brady’s behalf, why did he even testify at the appeal hearing? The points raised above could have been established via stipulation or other evidence. Having Brady admit that he destroyed the phone interjected an issue that will hamper Brady in the court of public opinion — and that could prompt a judge to conclude at a visceral level that justice requires upholding the suspension.

Although the destruction of the phone may not be relevant to any of the issues raised in the litigation challenging the suspension, skilled judges can find a way to get to whichever conclusion they believe is justified, even if the motivation to arrive at that destination comes from facts technically irrelevant to the specific issues presented in a given case.

In other words, if the presiding judge (whoever it ends up being) believes Brady’s hands are dirty, the judge will likely be able to find a way to rule accordingly, even if the written decision never mentions the destruction of the cell phone.

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Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 6h6 hours ago
Reminder of this again: When Brady goes to court, not about his innocence anymore. It's about process and whether Goodell violated the CBA.

SVN said:

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 6h6 hours ago
Reminder of this again: When Brady goes to court, not about his innocence anymore. It's about process and whether Goodell violated the CBA.

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So, I hate to try and put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you're trying to remind people that the NFL may always win this case, no matter what the judge says.

If we win, it's on a technicality about "process," and "violation of the labor laws," yet the whole world continues to remember that Brady "destroyed" his phone and cheated--therefore no one really gives a ****. The one real chance at having the truth come out has now passed.

Agree, or disagree---Am I anywhere close to what you're insinuating?

Right now it feels like when Kearse corralled the ball Butler broke up. I hope I'm as wrong about the eventual outcome now as I was then.

supafly said:

So, I hate to try and put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you're trying to remind people that the NFL may always win this case, no matter what the judge says.

If we win, it's on a technicality about "process," and "violation of the labor laws," yet the whole world continues to remember that Brady "destroyed" his phone and cheated--therefore no one really gives a ****. The one real chance at having the truth come out has now passed.

Agree, or disagree---Am I anywhere close to what you're insinuating?

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At this point the technically would be justice.

Deus Irae said:

Goodell = Crusader and true believer

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well said, deus

he is on a mission from God to get to the bottom of this

James!!!....the man, the myth, the masochist!

where ya been pal?