And POOF! There Goes the NFL Complaint About The Cellphone Up in Smoke!

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

eewwww.... the phone would have destroyed itself

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I would gladly watch a Bob Kraft sex tape if it meant putting this issue to rest (someone will surely put that in their signature). As a matter of fact, I would even go as far to somehow try and force myself to enjoy it (again, this is prime signature material).

I am a happily married heterosexual man, but this is the sacrifice I'd make. Hell, I'd even strap on the plastic gloves and.....okay, I'm stopping there.

destroying your cell phone is practical?

Brewskies said:

Lets get real here because you provide a list doesn't mean that is all you texted to it means those are the ones you provided. No verification. Just too many irregularities, Tom. You are the GOAT and I love you but hire someone smarter than you to protect yourself.

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And the NFL asked for those from Brady. Not the whole phone. So you have no point.

shmessy said:

By the way, if Brady really had saved a spreadsheet of the date, time, length and addresses of the texts and offered it to the NFL, then that means he did NOT attempt to erase the evidence - - he saved the info for the league and was willing to tell them with whom he communicated and that he had no problem with them getting that info as long as the people on the other end of the texts gave their permission.

He merely was more forthcoming than Wells (who hid behind "client privilege") or Mortenson (who is hiding behind the "not revealing source" right of the press).

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I dunno that it means anything one way or the other. I can log onto my phone account with my service provider on the web and pull down that data. Not sure for how far back, but at least 12 months. So I am not sure he saved anything purposefully.

But on the other hand IIRC he sat around for a long time waiting for them to interview him. The nfl waited til the end so they could try and have as many witnesses info in their pockets to use and catch him in a process lie if they couldn't catch him actually doing something wrong (a la scooter Libby). So the fact that (if i read that right) he destroyed the old phone THE DAY OF the interview, to me speaks of his innocence of destroying evidence, even though most would take it the opposite way on the face of it. But I would just ask, why would he wait a whole month and a half if he actually had something go hide.

Is there any right to privacy with private texts? If Brady gave them his phone and all of a sudden text messages from some random person are on the news, does that person have a legitimate complaint against Brady?

I don't see how the NFL can ever justify looking at texts from people they have no authority over, and who never agreed to make their private messages public.

Observer said:

Still shouldn't have destroyed the phone. Or even if he did, should have just kept it at you can't have it. This is the spy hate tapes all over again.

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bull sh-t. he should have showed them the phone in his hand and then smashed right in front of them. its his personal property to do whatever he wants with it.

Brewskies said:

Lets get real here because you provide a list doesn't mean that is all you texted to it means those are the ones you provided. No verification. Just too many irregularities, Tom. You are the GOAT and I love you but hire someone smarter than you to protect yourself.

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Hey pal, the list was given from the service provider, not just Brady himself. Soooo....

In Summation:

The NFL, which

1) took over 100 days and $5 million to investigate this.

2) and which took over 35 days to rule on an appeal of its own ruling.

........felt following up with Tom Brady's list of people he corresponded with would be too time consuming and costly????????


I can't wait for the movie. I'm stuck all day doing Larry David double takes.

I want to know the rest of this story? Would you destroy your phone if Wells had let you know he'd ask for it? Would you destroy it with seeking the advice of counsel? Would you destroy your phone if NO incriminating evidence was on it, considering how bad the optics would look?

I wouldn't. I'd turn it over to my attorney, lock it in a safety deposit box, put it away somewhere. It just looks bad.

I felt the same way after the Wells Report first came out, but after a few days discovered how one sided it was. If this were true as Goodell implies (Brady destroyed the phone after knowing it would be requested), why would they have waited 35 days to issue a ruling? That doesn't make any sense either, unless this was the stick Goodell was going to use to get Brady to take two games in exchange for no lawsuit. I'm going to wait and see how this all plays out.

Bobsyouruncle said:

Is there any right to privacy with private texts? If Brady gave them his phone and all of a sudden text messages from some random person are on the news, does that person have a legitimate complaint against Brady?

I don't see how the NFL can ever justify looking at texts from people they have no authority over, and who never agreed to make their private messages public.

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Legality aside, it's just a plain a-hole thing to do. I was about to sign up for some web use info-gathering app the other day, until I saw the part about it gaining access to the numbers of the people I texted. I would never share someone else's texts without their consent, and certainly not with the lawyer who was out to smear me.

Brewskies said:

Lets get real here because you provide a list doesn't mean that is all you texted to it means those are the ones you provided. No verification. Just too many irregularities, Tom. You are the GOAT and I love you but hire someone smarter than you to protect yourself.

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More non-sense from you I see.

I'm sure if Brady had handed over his phone initially you just would have said "doesn't matter because he could have just deleted all the relevant stuff to the investigation"

Sticky Caulk said:

And the NFL asked for those from Brady. Not the whole phone. So you have no point.

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That's what i was thinking. wasn't that specifically stated by Wells? Give us the relevant texts, don't want phone?

MagicMarker said:

I wouldn't. I'd turn it over to my attorney, lock it in a safety deposit box, put it away somewhere. It just looks bad.

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Right. "Looks bad". Not "actually is bad".

The entire leak is just another in a lame attempt to tarnish Tom Brady, and some how control the narrative. It will get some strong initial play and be painful for a moment, but this is nothing but a Red Herring and a weak attempt to deflect the weakness of their case, and their inevitable defeat .

In Yee's statement he made what I think is a key remark. He promised to reveal proof of the "unprecedented" amount of electronic information that Brady offered the league. He implied a lot more than the spread sheet mentioned in this thread. Eventually it is going to come out that Brady was more than forthcoming and reasonable to the NFL's requests on this matter. Not was he being accused of a crime that didn't even happen, he was convicted with nothing but innuendo and bad science. The whole charade was a sham and the NFL's strategy is to fling more mud on the player who most deserves to be their shining example.

Brady should never be turning over his phone without court order. But destroying the phone on the day of meeting Wells and then admitting to it is a colossally bad PR move. You have to try hard to convince yourself that he wasn't hiding something.

If the NFLPA proceeds as they indicate below:

• The NFL had no policy that applied to players;
• The NFL provided no notice of any such policy or potential discipline to players;
• The NFL resorted to a nebulous standard of “general awareness” to predicate a legally unjustified punishment;
• The NFL had no procedures in place until two days ago to test air pressure in footballs; and
• The NFL violated the plain meaning of the collective bargaining agreement.

will Brady's text messages even be relevant and something that can be subpoenaed?

MagicMarker said:

I want to know the rest of this story? Would you destroy your phone if Wells had let you know he'd ask for it? Would you destroy it with seeking the advice of counsel? Would you destroy your phone if NO incriminating evidence was on it, considering how bad the optics would look?

I wouldn't. I'd turn it over to my attorney, lock it in a safety deposit box, put it away somewhere. It just looks bad.

I felt the same way after the Wells Report first came out, but after a few days discovered how one sided it was. If this were true as Goodell implies (Brady destroyed the phone after knowing it would be requested), why would they have waited 35 days to issue a ruling? That doesn't make any sense either, unless this was the stick Goodell was going to use to get Brady to take two games in exchange for no lawsuit. I'm going to wait and see how this all plays out.

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Let's say a certain public figure told Brady he/she couldn't stand their business partner?

And by the way, we have been hearing for MONTHS from the NFL that they never required the physical phone - - just a list from the attorneys of all the text information and that it could be screened by those attorneys for privacy.

Now, suddenly, they change their tune and want the physical phone? Baloney.

captain insano said:

bull sh-t. he should have showed them the phone in his hand and then smashed right in front of them. its his personal property to do whatever he wants with it.

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Smashed it on goodell's stupid face. He always looks like a cartoon character that just got hit with a frying pan, anyway.

I wish he had hung onto just so the NFL had one less straw to grasp at.

Well so far Dan Lebatard has been the only voice of reasoning I've heard since this whole destroyed phone story broke. He's saying what if there's nothing on that phone to do with deflategate at all, what if he has something on there as some have suggested pictures, or said something negative about Kraft, Belichick or another nfl player etc (he was just throwing out random scenarios ) but he stated if I was Tom Brady I wouldn't want to give my phone to the nfl either with all the leaks and the nfls creditabilty issues, even if there is nothing in there at all about deflategate. To bad not many others can think like this.