How I Feel - MERGED (by accident - Ian) Brady Suspension Upheld

NashuaPats · Jul 28, 2015

The NFL can't subpoena the phone and the phone company has all the records anyway, so the phone itself is irrelevant. This is just more spin from the NFL.

JayNM · Jul 28, 2015

Brady's camp will probably come up with an answer for the destroyed phone, so my judgment will likely change.

If they don't, then the this is a very strange act. All the evidence support Brady's innocence, but this destruction is highly suspicious

JackBauer · Jul 28, 2015

So...what I don't get is, even if Brady destroys the phone, couldn't they still get all the relevant message data from the service provider?

ensoul · Jul 28, 2015

DefenseRules said:
I don't give a damn if the man sent his phone to the moon. It's his freakin phone. He paid for hit. He can do what he wants with it. They had the texts from the two knuckleheads. They know what they talked about. What more do they need?

He can do what he wants with his phone but since he refused to hand it to the NFL during all this, and now it's allegedly destroyed it looks really really bad for Brady.

Wheelman · Jul 28, 2015

karguy85 said:
From Facebook:

Adam Schefter
3 mins ·
Regarding NFL decision to uphold Brady suspension, here is league statement:

In the opinion informing Brady that his appeal had been denied, Commissioner Goodell emphasized important new information disclosed by Brady and his representatives in connection with the hearing.

On or shortly before March 6, the day that Tom Brady met with independent investigator Ted Wells and his colleagues, Brady directed that the cell phone he had used for the prior four months be destroyed. He did so even though he was aware that the investigators had requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on that phone. During the four months that the cell phone was in use, Brady had exchanged nearly 10,000 text messages, none of which can now be retrieved from that device. The destruction of the cell phone was not disclosed until June 18, almost four months after the investigators had first sought electronic information from Brady.

Based on the Wells Report and the evidence presented at the hearing, Commissioner Goodell concluded in his decision that Brady was aware of, and took steps to support, the actions of other team employees to deflate game footballs below the levels called for by the NFL's Official Playing Rules. The commissioner found that Brady’s deliberate destruction of potentially relevant evidence went beyond a mere failure to cooperate in the investigation and supported a finding that he had sought to hide evidence of his own participation in the underlying scheme to alter the footballs.

As if I'm going to believe that. I won't forget 11 out of 12 footballs 2 pounds below! NFL* how low will you go...

JMC00 · Jul 28, 2015

yep so took him 35 days to make the decision and he based it on him getting rid of his cell phone. if it was so open and shut why take that long and why even talk settlement?

karguy85 · Jul 28, 2015

NashuaPats said:
The NFL can't subpoena the phone and the phone company has all the records anyway, so the phone itself is irrelevant. This is just more spin from the NFL.

If I were Brady, and if he is innocent (as I still suspect), I would get the records from the carrier and dump them at the league offices. Show that this is his normal practice.

ViperGTS · Jul 28, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
According to the NFL's statement, they weren't aware that the phone was destroyed until after the punishment was handed down. I agree, Brady's team needs to make a statement explaining that right away.

He was at the Apple Store in NYC gettin an iWatch in April. Need a 6 to use it.

Gronkowski123 · Jul 28, 2015

brady's getting more **** than hilary clinton for not giving up electronics and she's running for president!

Ross12 · Jul 28, 2015

"On or shortly before March 6, the day that Tom Brady met with independent investigator Ted Wells and hiscolleagues, Brady directed that the cell phone he had used for the prior four months be destroyed."

So they don't even know when he did it, just a timeframe. Define "shortly before", are we talking days or weeks? It's perfectly feasible to think that a couple weeks after a Super Bowl win, he got around to upgrading to an iPhone 6 and destroyed his old phone. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the investigation. Let's remember, also, that this investigation was supposed to take hours, then days, then weeks, and has ultimately gone many months. To convict a guy for upgrading his phone in a 6 month window is insane.

Fixit · Jul 28, 2015

I don't care if he destroyed it right in front of Ted Wells, because Brady was never giving up his phone. If there's a legal reason to get those texts, they can be retrieved without going through a guy who was paid by the league to concoct evidence and leaks.

festy1986 · Jul 28, 2015

If brady was inclined to play ball and avoid court, then that's over with.

See ya in court.

EatSleepWinRepeat · Jul 28, 2015

smurfalarm · Jul 28, 2015

Wheelman said:
As if I'm going to believe that. I won't forget 11 out of 12 football 2 pounds below! NFL* how low will you go...

I don't know, there's a pretty big difference between false information informally passed off-the-record to a reporter as part of a PR battle, and a lawyer-vetted official statement as part of an appeal decision immediately prior to a likely lawsuit. The NFL knows this statement will be heavily involved in upcoming litigation. I would be surprised if they are outright lying in this case. At most, it is probably misleading, not an outright falsehood. eg, it is almost definitely the case that the phone is destroyed and the information is unrecoverable. We just have no context for why that is the case.

Fencer · Jul 28, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
I agree that the timing is key here if a phone was destroyed. If the issue is that they wanted texts from the "deflator" time period but Brady had gotten rid of that phone before the investigation even started, then this is yet another non-story deflection by Goodell. If the phone was destroyed after the investigation started, then that's a problem.

That depends in large part on whether Brady actually had a duty to turn over his cell phone to the league.

dannydyn · Jul 28, 2015

Quote of the day:

Tom Brady has a ring for each day of his suspension. Nobody in the NFL can claim that.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Jul 28, 2015

JayNM said:
All the evidence support Brady's innocence, but this destruction is highly suspicious

So we are now supposed to believe that Tom Brady directed the deflation of footballs that, in fact, were not even deflated? This is a blow to my perception of TB's ability to always make the right decision under pressure, but not to my perception of his innocence.

PatriotsReign · Jul 28, 2015

Brady2Moss said:
WHAT ABOUT THE CELL PHONE MIKE!!!!

Hey Mike and Tony....GFY's!!

Fencer · Jul 28, 2015

Rob0729 said:
I am assuming that like most everything else, Wells twisted the facts about the destruction of the cell phone. But if he did destroy it on the day of the interview or shortly before, it does look really bad.

But why is this fact being issued two months after the Wells Report was issued? Wells was interviewed and never mentioned it and it wasn't in the report.

Goodell's claim is that Brady didn't tell the league about the destroyed phone until the appeal.

karguy85 · Jul 28, 2015

Do you think we will get a response from Brady's team today?

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