Yahoo Sports: Punishment Could Turn Out To Be Laughable

There's no chance we'll see correct #s from this process. There are numerous ways the NFL can rig this:
- They'll inflate the balls with colder air pregame
- They'll measure the balls near the end of halftime (I think this is the most likely)
- They'll measure the balls with a different gauge than they did pregame
- They'll heat the halftime room higher than it was pregame
- They'll state an incorrect temperature for the halftime room
- They'll store the balls in a warmer spot during the first half

I have stopped getting my hopes up for anything good to come out of the NFL offices about the Pats. The results are always worse than our most pessimistic opinions going in.

In seeking the appearance of integrity instead of actual integrity Goodell has found neither.

MagicMarker said:

The Patriots are quietly still updating the Wells report context site.

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I do find that interesting.

We can all agree that Bob caved in but he is the owner and is allowing for this to happen. Help Brady? Measured defiance?

The league is just stupid/malicious evil enough to check the balls in early September in San Diego, Tampa and Miami and when the balls don't deflate say that they've seen enough and there is no evidence to support the Patriots...
Wait until December when PSI start really dropping and they will have massive egg on their face..

RelocatedPatFan said:

Except, they'll control access, conditions, and reporting of the numbers.

Or will it be as open and honest as Wells, Goodell and the entire deflate-gate fiasco has been? If they really have nothing to hide, the results will be recorded and all recordings will be witnessed by staff from both teams and an outside party with no ties to the NFL or any of their influence.

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I guarantee you they will give you an average number for the entire year which will show that the loss of air pressure is negligible and claim it is proof that the Pats cheated. And most of America will agree. They won't look at it that in that average are a bunch of games in Florida in 90 degree temperature where the air pressure should go up in the balls after they leave a 70 degree locker room or all the games in a dome where the temperature barely changes from the locker room to field (in fact it is usually warmer in a dome because the heat generated by 60,000 people all in one area). I seriously doubt they will break it down by outdoor games in cold weather vs. a dome vs. a warm September day in Miami.

Rob0729 said:

I guarantee you they will give you an average number for the entire year which will show that the loss of air pressure is negligible and claim it is proof that the Pats cheated. And most of America will agree. They won't look at it that in that average are a bunch of games in Florida in 90 degree temperature where the air pressure should go up in the balls after they leave a 70 degree locker room or all the games in a dome where the temperature barely changes from the locker room to field (in fact it is usually warmer in a dome because the heat generated by 60,000 people all in one area). I seriously doubt they will break it down by outdoor games in cold weather vs. a dome vs. a warm September day in Miami.

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I think any unbiased reporter would be all over that. It wouldn't be hard to explain , even to the average dummy that the average PSI drop for the year across all climates would obviously be very different than cold climate games.

sambam94 said:

I think any unbiased reporter would be all over that. It wouldn't be hard to explain , even to the average dummy that the average PSI drop for the year across all climates would obviously be very different than cold climate games.

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In the same way they have already reported that there is no basis to conclude deflation occurred?

Rob0729 said:

I guarantee you they will give you an average number for the entire year which will show that the loss of air pressure is negligible and claim it is proof that the Pats cheated. And most of America will agree. They won't look at it that in that average are a bunch of games in Florida in 90 degree temperature where the air pressure should go up in the balls after they leave a 70 degree locker room or all the games in a dome where the temperature barely changes from the locker room to field (in fact it is usually warmer in a dome because the heat generated by 60,000 people all in one area). I seriously doubt they will break it down by outdoor games in cold weather vs. a dome vs. a warm September day in Miami.

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Right. If you and I can poke holes in their process in a few minutes, then we know it's more of the same (meaning they'll use it as leverage). They won't measure the footballs when they are cold, when they have been warmed, ...) For all of it's time in history nobody cared about PSI and now suddenly it's the most damning thing in history.

Unless they are 100% transparent, I think we all agree that the NFL wants to use this as press to make the front office look good and continue to make the Pats look guilty. This is what happens when someone has lost trust. And oddly enough, most people refuse to see it for what it is.

sambam94 said:

I think any unbiased reporter would be all over that. It wouldn't be hard to explain , even to the average dummy that the average PSI drop for the year across all climates would obviously be very different than cold climate games.

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Nah! I think you are more likely to see Mark Brunnell on ESPN crying again saying "See I told you I didn't believe Tom Brady". The news today isn't about the truth, it is about the scandal. The NFL proving the Patriots footballs were deflated by the ideal gas law is boring, NFL proving that McNally deflated the footballs sizzles.

So Yahoo is predicting they will force Brady to watch the NFLN's 2014 Jets Season Highlights?

Take the four games Tom.

XLIX said:

highly prejudicial ESPN report from January that the league never bothered to refute."

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Does Reiss still do his mailbag or his weekly chats? Time to bombard him with the simple question.....Why hasn't ESPN addressed/retracted the inaccurate reporting by Mort?

Goodell and his staff have managed to turn what should have been a routine investigation of an alleged violation that the League normally treats as a minor misdemeanor into the equivalent of an Elevated Terrorist Threat complete with bomb sniffing dogs, street closures, vehicle checks, full body searches, magnetometers and x-ray machines. In the end, the outcome of all of that has pretty clearly been that "we really don't know what happened in the first place," as evidenced by the NFL putting its new gameday procedures in place.

Great job, Roger!

MagicMarker said:

The Patriots are quietly still updating the Wells report context site. Yahoo's Dan Wetzel's article (not this one, but the one from last Friday) is linked there.

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I find this very interesting and wouldn't be happening without Kraft's approval.

too much is being placed on the numbers.........the effect needs to be determined

looking at it that way, the league may not care if the balls are 11 to 15 rather than 12.5-13.5

Why do I think that this will turn into randomly checking only the home teams footballs, and the other 31 stadiums will have their checks on 70 degree days, and the Patriots will be in December when its 10 degrees.
This is the plan to take away our first in 2017 and 2018 (have to double it for repeat offense). Brady will be suspended for the 2016 season.

The NFLPA should insist that the data be sent to an independent third party if a potential penalty to one of its members is still on the table. They should also ask that the data be gathered by an independent third party (other, of course, than Ted Wells ), but that's probably not going to be in the cards.

PrairiePat said:

There's no chance we'll see correct #s from this process. There are numerous ways the NFL can rig this:
- They'll inflate the balls with colder air pregame
- They'll measure the balls near the end of halftime (I think this is the most likely)
- They'll measure the balls with a different gauge than they did pregame
- They'll heat the halftime room higher than it was pregame
- They'll state an incorrect temperature for the halftime room
- They'll store the balls in a warmer spot during the first half

I have stopped getting my hopes up for anything good to come out of the NFL offices about the Pats. The results are always worse than our most pessimistic opinions going in.

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Engineer here.
You have just described a small setof the myriad reasons this is an uncontrolled experiment rife with opportunity for fraud. I expect nothing but BAD for the Patriots to come from any such "experiment".

Physics does not need NYFL yahoos to affirm the Ideal Gas Law.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Physics does not need NYFL yahoos to affirm the Ideal Gas Law.

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Seriously. It's physics! This isn't some new thing to just be discovered. It's simple science. The fact that this crap has gone on this long shows just how incompetent the NFL front office is. What a farce.

NE won the SB almost six months ago and we STILL don't know what is going to happen to him this upcoming season.

mike greenberg ( mike and mike ) saying the suspension will stand at 4..

Gronkowski123 said:

mike greenberg ( mike and mike ) saying the suspension will stand at 4..

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Of course he is...

It's all posturing and maneuvering at this point. This thing is going to Federal court.