What could Kraft Have sued for?

He did not to have to bend over and take it. I'm no lawyer but there must have been some way he could have challenged Goodell's arbitrary and over-the-top punishment being levied on the basis of no proof and no evidence.

IllegalContact said:

over the course of deflategate, anyone involved who has opened their mouth publicly has sounded stupid

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I beg to differ. Belichick's presser was concise, on point and should have been effective had this not been witch hunt by the league office.

Patsfanin Philly said:

I beg to differ. Belichick's presser was concise, on point and should have been effective had this not been witch hunt by the league office.

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Belichik is not 'involved'

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DarrylS said:

As much as we all agree, this is the system agreed upon and what might stymie Brady's appeal, sometimes court do not want to get involved in negotiated and agreed upon rules and procedures..

It does violate due process, but the NFLPA agreed to this violation..

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But goodell has violated that agreement. The owners agreed to have him do whatever he wants and they are part of the league, not a separate body representing players interests.

RayClay said:

People keep saying Kraft should have sued the league or goodell, but no one says what the grounds and damages would have been.

If you think he should have sued, say what for.

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Straw man topic.

MOST of us criticizing Vichy Bob stated clearly that he should have simply continued his opposition to the witch hunt and APPEALED Goodell's ruling as other owners had done previously.

An APPEAL would not have wrecked the league economically. Better yet an owner with sack could have leveraged the ongoing spate of scientific and essay articles in the non-NYFL controlled media to put even more pressure on the corrupt league office's unprecedented persecution of the Patriots org & QB.

An entire strawman thread.

Can someone point out to me who the people are that think Kraft should have sued? What site do they post on?
Kraft should have appealed. The team is innocent. He has a wealth of evidence.
He chose to 'end the rhetoric'.
Tom Brady being judged a cheater and the Patriots losing a 1st and a 4th round pick is not rhetoric to me, it is something worthy of fighting for.

AndyJohnson said:

An entire strawman thread.

Can someone point out to me who the people are that think Kraft should have sued? What site do they post on?
Kraft should have appealed. The team is innocent. He has a wealth of evidence.
He chose to 'end the rhetoric'.
Tom Brady being judged a cheater and the Patriots losing a 1st and a 4th round pick is not rhetoric to me, it is something worthy of fighting for.

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oh jeezus ..... you keep making the same point over and over and over and over again.......people get your point.......you don't need to keep repeating it..........you are, after all entitled to your own opinion, however, it is no more accurate than anyone else's

Clonamery said:

Well, he could have had the ass clown carpool pick him up around the corner rather than in front of the entire sports world. He was getting in that car eventually because they have a shared destination.

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...or he could've waited and hitched a ride with BB and Brady to the HOF and football immortality.

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But goodell has violated that agreement. The owners agreed to have him do whatever he wants and they are part of the league, not a separate body representing players interests.

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What agreement are you referring to?? If there is one among the owners we are not privy to it..

The NFLPA agreed to let Goodell be the final arbitrator...

IllegalContact said:

oh jeezus ..... you keep making the same point over and over and over and over again.......people get your point.......you don't need to keep repeating it..........you are, after all entitled to your own opinion, however, it is no more accurate than anyone else's

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Then don't read. Certainly don't respond, if you are tired of hearing my opinion, don't respond to my posts, which will result in me restating my opinion.

AndyJohnson said:

Then don't read. Certainly don't respond, if you are tired of hearing my opinion, don't respond to my posts, which will result in me restating my opinion.

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there's some humor in it.........you're like a toy that does the same thing every time you wind it up

IllegalContact said:

there's some humor in it.........you're like a toy that does the same thing every time you wind it up

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So you are going to go the childish route? Nice.
Explain why when I argue strongly about one side and do not change my opinion based on yours and you argue strongly on the other and don't change your opinion, I am acting any differently that you?
That arrogance is a major flaw in your activity on this board.

AndyJohnson said:

So you are going to go the childish route? Nice.
Explain why when I argue strongly about one side and do not change my opinion based on yours and you argue strongly on the other and don't change your opinion, I am acting any differently that you?
That arrogance is a major flaw in your activity on this board.

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my opinion is different than yours........deal with it

you're the one who start with the notion that somebody doesn't know what the **** they're talking about if it doesn't line up with your belief.......we're talking about a bunch of rich people.......being on the football field is all that matter with me....I could give 2 ****s about legacy......people who sit here and rail about legacy need to find something more meaningful in their lives

IllegalContact said:

my opinion is different than yours........deal with it

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By making childish jokes?

you're the one who start with the notion that somebody doesn't know what the **** they're talking about if it doesn't line up with your belief.

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I've never said that.

......we're talking about a bunch of rich people.......being on the football field is all that matter with me....I could give 2 ****s about legacy......people who sit here and rail about legacy need to find something more meaningful in their lives

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Tom Brady cares about his legacy. My argument is not whether I care about his legacy.
The question at hand (mostly in the other thread that you decided to migrate over to here) was whether Brady (and BB) may leave because of Kraft.
Honestly, your feelings about legacy and that you don't care because they are rich, etc are not really part of that discussion.
If your point is it isn't worth discussing, then say so. But if your point is Brady shouldn't care because you dont there are 1000 things wrong with that line of argument.

Chargers owner and Jerry Jones applauded Kraft for what he did when both have appealed charges in recent years. ****ing hyprocrites.

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By making childish jokes?

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LOL......you're such a victim

I've never said that.

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not in so many words, but yeah....that's what you said

Tom Brady cares about his legacy. My argument is not whether I care about his legacy.
The question at hand (mostly in the other thread that you decided to migrate over to here) was whether Brady (and BB) may leave because of Kraft.
Honestly, your feelings about legacy and that you don't care because they are rich, etc are not really part of that discussion.
If your point is it isn't worth discussing, then say so. But if your point is Brady shouldn't care because you dont there are 1000 things wrong with that line of argument.

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brady cares about playing football and winning.......legacy? he doesn't have to think about it because he's got this part of the country in the palm of his hand.....the rest really doesn't matter

IllegalContact said:

LOL......you're such a victim

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No, you turned an reasonable disagreement into a childish attempt at insult, and I wont stoop to that level.

not in so many words, but yeah....that's what you said

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Not even close. Nothing you said changed my opinion. That just means your argument is not persuasive to me. At no point did I say you don't know what you are talking about. I explained why I disagree with your opinion. I never said you can't be right, just that I don't believe you are. Note: that sums up about every disagreement that has ever existed, but for some reason you want to make this one 'special'.

brady cares about playing football and winning.......legacy? he doesn't have to think about it because he's got this part of the country in the palm of his hand.....the rest really doesn't matter

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How could you possibly know that? You just made it up, there is zero evidence behind that claim.
The fact that he is fighting and has been reported to be unwilling to accept anythign that would look like an admission of guilt says the opposite.

AndyJohnson said:

No, you turned an reasonable disagreement into a childish attempt at insult, and I wont stoop to that level.

Not even close. Nothing you said changed my opinion. That just means your argument is not persuasive to me. At no point did I say you don't know what you are talking about. I explained why I disagree with your opinion. I never said you can't be right, just that I don't believe you are. Note: that sums up about every disagreement that has ever existed, but for some reason you want to make this one 'special'.

How could you possibly know that? You just made it up, there is zero evidence behind that claim.
The fact that he is fighting and has been reported to be unwilling to accept anythign that would look like an admission of guilt says the opposite.

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I know just like you know.......which means we don't know......I just go by logic, that's all.....yours is pure emotion.....you tell me he cares about legacy, I tell you he cares about playing

if he even accepts a nickle for a punishment, you will be wrong

IllegalContact said:

my opinion is different than yours........deal with it

you're the one who start with the notion that somebody doesn't know what the **** they're talking about if it doesn't line up with your belief.......we're talking about a bunch of rich people.......being on the football field is all that matter with me....I could give 2 ****s about legacy......people who sit here and rail about legacy need to find something more meaningful in their lives

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I for one, do care about legacy because for a long time I have and always will root for the Patriots long after BB and Brady retire. Their legacy is a part of the Patriot's organization's identity the same way that Tom Landry is for the Cowboys, Montana is for the 49ers, and Terry Bradshaw is for the Steelers. No matter how hard I root against them I will always have respect for what they did and how they represented their respective teams. That is because of legacy. I could go on how legacy transcends football and plays a major role in how we live our lives, of which I consider mine to be very meaningful to my family and friends. But of course, that's just my opinion...

Kraft's standing in the league is a benefit not worth risking over an appeal he has no chance to win. Do you guys think that Kraft sat in a corner sucking his thumb before making a decision about the plight of his billion dollar franchise?

Without a doubt he had lawyers and others he could consult with before making the choice - the narrative that he's just a rumpswab makes no sense to me. He's a businessman.

Basically everyone is mad that Kraft didn't go for either the Pyrrhic victory route or the pointless act of defiance route. IMO we're all better served by Kraft being in a position to hopefully one day help vote Goodell onto the unemployment line.

Until then I'll console my disappointment that he didn't make an appeal that would go nowhere by daydreaming about the fact that our team has 4 championships and that would have been unthinkable before Bob Kraft.