Will Kraft Drive Away Brady and/or Belichick?

Never would happen in a million years but the most entertaining thing would be BB leaves us and coaches the Browns wins the Superbowl with Tebow says FU to the league publically destroys the NFL during his Superbowl Victory conference then writes a tell all book resulting in suspensions and Dismissals for half of the NFL.
He then after a few years of fishing comes back to be the NFL commissioner McDaniels is our head coach with Chip Kelly our offensive coordinator and we steamroll the league with Jimmy G!
Not before Tom wins number 5.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

Brady and the NFL reach a settlement right before trial after the lawsuit is filed. New owner of the New England Patriots . . . Tom Brady!!!!!!!

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The funny thing is....this happened in Pittsburgh. Roger Marino (A founder of EMC) bought the Pittsburgh Penguins as a toy in order to "hob nob with celebrities" (Marino's daughter's words to me). He gave Mario Lemieux such a massive contract which crippled the team financially and forced it into bankruptcy. Mario chose to accept an ownership stake in lieu of salary.
If TB ever gets an ownership stake of the Pats......I will even call TB...Mr. Brady.......a moniker I refuse to use on Kaving Krafty.

AndyJohnson said:

Huh?
As owner Kraft has to accept an egrigous penalty for something his team was not guilty of?
As an owner he has to damage his franchise because 'the 32' want it that way?
As owner he has to say 'I think everyone who deserves to play should play' when asked point blank if he expects Brady to play opening day?
As owner he has to deny Bradys requests to appear in person or even by phone at the appeal hearing where he is trying to protect his character, image and legacy?
He did not have to do any of these things.

As far as the rest, BB should be happy losing first round pick because they didn't take cap space, becuase they can't take cap space?


So you support running away when things get tough and hope somehow they work out without you?
How does running away from your right to appeal and ACCEPTING the penalties give you any chance of getting anything even if the process implodes. Note that as far as the picks are concerned the process was over a long time ago, so it is not imploding.


What possible advantage could accepting a ridiculous penalty for something you didn't do have?
It's over, he forfeited his right to appeal. What advantage are you talking about? There are not.


Kraft had complete control over his actions. Being together a long time does not matter when you are stabbed in the back. Make no mistakes Kraft stabbed Brady in the back.


How could BB or TB be fine with how Kraft has handled this? He did nothing, in fact, worse than nothing because he didn't even support Brady after caving in.
Kraft did what he did for the other 31 owners AT THE EXPENSE OF Brady and BB, and they are smart enough to know that.

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I just don't see them being as emotionally wound up......I don't see any backstabbing going on.....they don't stay together so long if they're backstabbers toward each other....they're all to rich to be pissing and moaning around each other.....they are all big boys and realize what they have had for 15 years.

while it's snappier and more intriguing to make this appear like a soap opera, I think they're all on the same page as to how they handle the outside.

IllegalContact said:

I just don't see them being as emotionally wound up......I don't see any backstabbing going on.....they don't stay together so long if they're backstabbers toward each other....they're all to rich to be pissing and moaning around each other.....they are all big boys and realize what they have had for 15 years.

while it's snappier and more intriguing to make this appear like a soap opera, I think they're all on the same page as to how they handle the outside.

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If this thing goes to court and Brady's lawyers go after Goodell and possibly other owners, we know who Kraft will back up and it won't be Brady. Kraft's (good for the league, bad for the Patriots) business decisions are negatively affecting Belichick. Kraft's business partners are actively trying to destroy Tom Brady's good name, legacy and livelihood. It's naive to think that because they're all rich, there's no potential bad blood.

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If this thing goes to court and Brady's lawyers go after Goodell and possibly other owners, we know who Kraft will back up and it won't be Brady. Kraft's (good for the league, bad for the Patriots) business decisions are negatively affecting Belichick. Kraft's business partners are actively trying to destroy Tom Brady's good name, legacy and livelihood. It's naive to think that because they're all rich, there's no potential bad blood.

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the primary aspect of court will be to address the suspension and how the process concluded it......it will be brady, the nflpa and the nfl front office......

separately, if it happens, the defamation suit will drag the league across the mat......the league should actually be more interested in avoiding this

Nah and though I am not on the inside obviously, I wouldn't be at all surprised if we find out years later that there was some animosity there. I think all parties respect the heck out of each other, but I can't imagine that there is not at least some resentment from Brady's side at least. It almost feels like he has been fighting this thing alone since day 1.

Sicilian said:

I actually figured, I just fell into a semantics trap, which I'm usually loathe to do, so you could have told me to F off too and I would have understood.



Oh no... don't start another coffee thread!

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When I went to college in Florida, coffee threads were all the rage.

I think the bottom line is that Kraft is more concerned about his place in history than he is interested in winning. I now think the major reason he caved then made his pathetic concession speech is that Goodell and the owners like Rooney and Mara appealed to his vanity and said you will go into the Hall of Fame with BB and Brady if you play ball otherwise you will be an outcast like Al Davis. The problem is that BB and Brady are all about winning and not worried about getting into the Hall. I predict that there will be another sham violation and the League will come after BB. At that time I would not be surprised if Kraft fires BB.

IllegalContact said:

I just don't see them being as emotionally wound up

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None of it is emotional.
Brady's legacy is at stake. Brady is being scapegoated and Kraft has turned his back on him at every chance to support. That's a fact. It isn't emotional to feel that you deserve support from the owner you have given so much success and to be disappointed in his unwillingness to do so.

......I don't see any backstabbing going on

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Then you aren't looking.
Kraft sided with the other 31 over Brady and BB. That is a fact that Kraft readily admits.
Krafts 'everyone who deserves to play' comment was a slap in Brady's face. Kraft should have said if Brady isn't there, he won't be. Since when is it wrong for Kraft to stand behind his greatest player?
Kraft did not show up when asked to testify for Brady in the appeal, and also refused to testify by phone.
Brady's reputation, career and legacy are on the line and Kraft refused to drop a dime. That is as backstabbing as it gets.

.....they don't stay together so long if they're backstabbers toward each other

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This makes no sense. Brady should ignore being stabbed in the back the first time in his career he asked for help or support from Kraft, so he shouldn't care because it didn't happen before?
If your wife cheats on you after 14 years of marriage, you think thats fine because you stayed this long and she hadn't done it before?

...they're all to rich to be pissing and moaning around each other.....they are all big boys and realize what they have had for 15 years.

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See above comments. Your outlook is just wrong. Brady is not going to ignore Krafts actions because they won a lot while he was QB. It just doenst work that way in life.

while it's snappier and more intriguing to make this appear like a soap opera, I think they're all on the same page as to how they handle the outside.

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How can they be on the same page when Kraft refused to testify on Brady's behalf?
You think BB told Kraft its great to give up draft picks so you can stay friends with Irsay?
Kraft is damaging the careers of both of these men. There is no way they agree with his handling of this.

Your comments sound like you have been on another planet for 8 months and don't know any of the developments that have occured.

PatsFanSince74 said:

I think that's right on all counts. BB and TB won't leave on account of Kraft. [Either might leave if someone makes them an irrationally large "offer they can't refuse" (everybody has his price), but I think that that is highly unlikely.]

I think that he will, however, lose a lot of the loyalty. I have always been proud (see my nick) that I am a long time Patriots fan, but now I'm feeling more like my allegiance is mainly to Brady and Belichick. Frankly, I don't know how I'm going to feel when they are both out of the picture in Foxboro. A post in another thread by a lawyer who knows what he is talking about points out that it was Kraft alone whose appeal or threat of litigation could have held the NFL's feet to the fire.

While I know that it will entail financial sacrifice on the part of fans with Season Tickets, if Brady's Suspension isn't lifted, I think the most powerful message that fans could send to Kraft would be empty seats on opening night.

I've said before that I would be willing to contribute to a fund to reimburse those folks for part of their loss in exchange for the unused tickets, if someone is willing and able to administer such a program.

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How odd this all seems to me. I've never considered myself 'a Kraft fan'. I'm a fan of the Patriots, not their owner. If I can be a fan of the Pats when freaking Billy and CHUCK we're running things, I can certainly survive Kraft who is, at the least, competent.

Kraft would have to do a lot worse than this to get me to quit on the Pats.

AndyJohnson said:

None of it is emotional.
Brady's legacy is at stake. Brady is being scapegoated and Kraft has turned his back on him at every chance to support.

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Kraft decided not to pursue an unwinnable appeal. He made the very tough decision to put his own interests aside for what he considered the good of the League. Most Patriots fans can't seem to fathom this, but this is what I think was going through Kraft's mind - and quite reasonably so.

Blaming Kraft for being on an airplane during Brady's appeal is typical of the overreaction on this board. (It's not as if Kraft hadn't already made his total confidence in Tom Brady and Bill Belichick publicly known immediately after the investigation started). I (and you) see the same type of overreaction from the Patriots haters over Spygate and Deflatehate. But people are people; only the object of their scorn differs.

I'm OK with having a different opinion than 90% of the fans on the board. In fact I'm glad that I'm not living with the obvious frustration and even hate that so many seem to have. Kraft made a poor decision and will be vilified for it the rest of his life. There are no winners here.

Personally, I believe that Kraft is rooting hard for his team, his coach and his QB. Perhaps that's just me, my optimism and my faith in people including Kraft. It will be interesting to look back on this in 2 or 3 years with perhaps a little more understanding and wisdom of what has really been going on.

I used to be a Revs fan. Now I root for Toronto FC. Screw the Krafts, can't wait until they sell the Patriots.

My feeling from day one of the Kraft capitulation: he's pissed, but can't sue the league. My guess is he's backing Brady 110% and told Brady to go get that motherf***er Goodell. Kraft has to look like he's doing the right thing to Goodell and the other 31, but my money is on that he will have nothing but glowing words for Brady (probably just privately) after Brady wins this whole thing. I think Kraft really pissed off everyone in the league by demanding an apology from Goodell/NFL, and this completely backfired. That's why we are where we are today in terms of the penalties. Goodell and the owners were made to look like fools ... then in comes good ol' mustache man Teddy Wells.

None of you understand they're up against a suit-and-tie white bred mafia. They're going to have to beat them at their own game. This isn't over by a longshot.

AndyJohnson said:

Huh?
As owner Kraft has to accept an egrigous penalty for something his team was not guilty of?
As an owner he has to damage his franchise because 'the 32' want it that way?
As owner he has to say 'I think everyone who deserves to play should play' when asked point blank if he expects Brady to play opening day?
As owner he has to deny Bradys requests to appear in person or even by phone at the appeal hearing where he is trying to protect his character, image and legacy?
He did not have to do any of these things.

As far as the rest, BB should be happy losing first round pick because they didn't take cap space, becuase they can't take cap space?


So you support running away when things get tough and hope somehow they work out without you?
How does running away from your right to appeal and ACCEPTING the penalties give you any chance of getting anything even if the process implodes. Note that as far as the picks are concerned the process was over a long time ago, so it is not imploding.


What possible advantage could accepting a ridiculous penalty for something you didn't do have?
It's over, he forfeited his right to appeal. What advantage are you talking about? There are not.


Kraft had complete control over his actions. Being together a long time does not matter when you are stabbed in the back. Make no mistakes Kraft stabbed Brady in the back.


How could BB or TB be fine with how Kraft has handled this? He did nothing, in fact, worse than nothing because he didn't even support Brady after caving in.
Kraft did what he did for the other 31 owners AT THE EXPENSE OF Brady and BB, and they are smart enough to know that.

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If you can get your enemies to turn on each other, then you can win. Goodell and the LO at 345 Park Place are no longer the enemy. Bob Kraft at 1 Patriot Place is.

A simple strategy and it seems to be working.

upstater1 said:

I used to be a Revs fan. Now I root for Toronto FC. Screw the Krafts, can't wait until they sell the Patriots.

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Introducing your new Los Angelas Patriots!

Fairweather fan indeed. Toronto? Good God. SMH.

If he sues the league, Brady will be NFLPA Honorary President for life.

AndyJohnson said:

None of it is emotional.
Brady's legacy is at stake. Brady is being scapegoated and Kraft has turned his back on him at every chance to support. That's a fact. It isn't emotional to feel that you deserve support from the owner you have given so much success and to be disappointed in his unwillingness to do so.

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you have no clue what is being said behind closed doors.......stop trying to explain the context of everything on the surface because you just don't know......what you believe is no more educated than what I believe.....you want to hate the guy? knock yourself out

Brady's legacy will be fine with fans and he was already deplored by fans of opponents long before deflategate

Then you aren't looking.
Kraft sided with the other 31 over Brady and BB. That is a fact that Kraft readily admits.
Krafts 'everyone who deserves to play' comment was a slap in Brady's face. Kraft should have said if Brady isn't there, he won't be. Since when is it wrong for Kraft to stand behind his greatest player?
Kraft did not show up when asked to testify for Brady in the appeal, and also refused to testify by phone.
Brady's reputation, career and legacy are on the line and Kraft refused to drop a dime. That is as backstabbing as it gets.

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stop being a drama queen.......brady's career is 90% over.........his reputation is fine as his is legacy.....stop being such a screaming victim

This makes no sense. Brady should ignore being stabbed in the back the first time in his career he asked for help or support from Kraft, so he shouldn't care because it didn't happen before?
If your wife cheats on you after 14 years of marriage, you think thats fine because you stayed this long and she hadn't done it before?

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moronic analogy

See above comments. Your outlook is just wrong. Brady is not going to ignore Krafts actions because they won a lot while he was QB. It just doenst work that way in life.

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you don't know how it works for these guys

How can they be on the same page when Kraft refused to testify on Brady's behalf?
You think BB told Kraft its great to give up draft picks so you can stay friends with Irsay?
Kraft is damaging the careers of both of these men. There is no way they agree with his handling of this.

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you know this how?

Your comments sound like you have been on another planet for 8 months and don't know any of the developments that have occured.

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been here the whole time........I'm just not a seething real life fitzy like you

PatSunday said:

If he sues the league, Brady will be NFLPA Honorary President for life.

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He has to win also, and as much as this seems to be a slam dunk in our laymen's eyes.. do not take anything for granted... the NFL has a powerful cadre of attorneys advising Goodell. So you have two groups squaring off, both with very deep pockets.. it will be interesting, but nothing is a guarantee..

The issue here will be the agreed upon remedies and rules that the NFLPA agreed to.. sometimes courts are reluctant to get involved in cases such as this..

No Kraft will not drive away Belichick and Brady, pretty confident that BB has time in mind when he will walk away.. and it has nothing to do with this.

IllegalContact said:

you have no clue what is being said behind closed doors.......stop trying to explain the context of everything on the surface because you just don't know......what you believe is no more educated than what I believe.....you want to hate the guy? knock yourself out

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How can you latch on to something happening behind the scenes when right out front Kraft is allowing his team and QB to be screwed?
What could he possibly be doing to overcome that?

Brady's legacy will be fine with fans and he was already deplored by fans of opponents long before deflategate

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Brady will be considered a cheater, and there will be no argument against it if he loses the appeal because he will have been suspended for cheating. That kills his legacy.

stop being a drama queen.......brady's career is 90% over.........his reputation is fine as his is legacy.....stop being such a screaming victim

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He has been judged a cheater, and his owner has refused to fight that judgment.

moronic analogy

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No its a perfect analogy because you are saying Kraft couldn't have stabbed Brady int he back and Brady can't be upset at Krafts actions because they have been together so long.

you don't know how it works for these guys

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Nor do you, but you claim to.

you know this how?

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Its a fact that Kraft refused to support Brady. Its common sense that Brady is offended by that lack of support.

been here the whole time........I'm just not a seething real life fitzy like you

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Typical response. Anyone who sees a problem while you bury your head in the same is a fitzy. Hilarious.