Patriots Draft redo

BobDigital · Jul 2, 2015

This is just my take on how I would make each pick if I could redo the Patriots draft. We have had some time pass and things have cooled down. It is too see how many picks I actually keep the same.

Obviously you can only go by the players available at each spot (meaning you can only pick form the players that were still on the board at or below that pick) and by the picks the Patriots actually had.

#32 - Malcolm Brown - DT* - Looking at the players available here I think this was the right pick to make for need and value. I am still not the biggest Malcolm Brown fan and don't think he was the steal others do but I believe he has first round ability and was probably overall the best player on the Board at this spot.

#64 - Odighizuwa, Owamagbe - DE - This I think was the player to go for at this spot. I am happy with the WRs we have and none of the CBs overly impressed me that were left.

#97 - TJ Clemmings - OL - I don't know why he dropped so much but I thought this would be good value for this pick.

#101 - Trey Flowers - DE* - This is another pick I keep just as is. Great value and I really like the player.

#111 - Tre Jackson - OG* - Even with Clemmings Tre Jackson is just too good to pass up here and I need to keep this pick the same.

#132 - DeAndre Smelter - WR - This pick might have been the same if I did not pick Clemmings... but I did. Smelter just has too much value here and upside and no DB that I really like.

#166 - Max Valles - OLB - I think more than a LS you want to take a chance on a talented LB.

#178 - Michael Bennett - DT - This is just a luxury pick but IDK why he fell so low. Scoop him up and see what happens.

#202 - Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - CB - A binky of mine before the draft and though he probably goes on IR I see him as a future "honey badger".

#247 -Darryl Roberts - CB* - This last pick I keep the same. Everything I read makes me love this kid and he has shown some stuff on the field already.

#253 - Jean Sifrin - TE - No good reason for this one... Home town kid makes good I guess and we could use depth. Surprised he went undrafted.

To look over the picks

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/track...acker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:1

The Patriots picks to remind those who might not know them all

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/track...-team/dt-by-round-input:1/dt-by-team-input:ne

How would you change it?

captain stone · Jul 7, 2015

1/32: same

2/64: DJ Smith - CB; I'm sure that Bill was thinking of releasing Arrington well before he finally did,
so here's his replacement.
Jordan Richards was a grotesquely, insultingly terrible pick.

3/97: TJ Clemmings - OL, for the reasons you stated.
Geneo Grissom is a player without a position, a 7th-round value. Another really bad pick.

4/101: same

4/111: Jay Ajayi - RB; both Vereen's and Ridley's replacement.
Tre Jackson is an utterly unathletic slob who will never, ever become a starting-caliber LG here, and
we already have multiple RG candidates.

4/131: DeAndre Smelter - WR, for the reasons you stated.
Shaquille Mason is a Center-only, and we already have our center for the next half-decade.

5/166: Michael Bennett - DT; the best player available regardless of position, and the penetrating DT
to replace Dom Easily when he is injured again or just stinks or likely both.
Nice Guy Joey Carbona is the 2nd-worst pick of the entire draft, behind only Jordan Richards.

6/178: JaCorey Shepherd - CB; the best Outside Corner available, better than anyone the Pats currently have on the roster not named Malcolm Butler.
Matt Wells could've been had at the end of the 7th round.

6/202: Tre McBride - WR; don't know why he slipped all the way to 245, but he's already the best player
regardless of position at 202, and would add depth & insurance at Outside WR if Smelter is PUPed.
AJ Derby is a UDFA talent, and there were multiple TEs available better than him.
If I had chosen the taller PJ Williams at 64 instead of the shorter DJ Smith, then I would've chosen Ifo
Ekpre-Olomu here and McBride at 178.

7/247: Matt Wells - OLB/SS; this is where his value truly lies, and surer bets in Shepherd & McBride
are therefore added to the talent base. If somehow Wells is already taken, there's still decent Safeties
and LBs available even at this stage of the draft.
Roberts is an OK value here, but I like Shepherd at 178, or Ifo at 202, better.

7/253: here it comes, and let the Haters hate: La'el Collins - OL! An absolute Gamble on Greatness,
but if he's cleared of any wrong-doing (and so far so good), he's the Steal of the Draft.
Xzavier ****son is nothing more than a less-athletic Geneo Grissom, both of whom no longer fit here.

HawaiianPatsfan · Jul 11, 2015

BobDigital said:
This is just my take on how I would make each pick if I could redo the Patriots draft. We have had some time pass and things have cooled down. It is too see how many picks I actually keep the same.

Obviously you can only go by the players available at each spot (meaning you can only pick form the players that were still on the board at or below that pick) and by the picks the Patriots actually had.

#32 - Malcolm Brown - DT* - Looking at the players available here I think this was the right pick to make for need and value. I am still not the biggest Malcolm Brown fan and don't think he was the steal others do but I believe he has first round ability and was probably overall the best player on the Board at this spot.

#64 - Odighizuwa, Owamagbe - DE - This I think was the player to go for at this spot. I am happy with the WRs we have and none of the CBs overly impressed me that were left.

#97 - TJ Clemmings - OL - I don't know why he dropped so much but I thought this would be good value for this pick.

#101 - Trey Flowers - DE* - This is another pick I keep just as is. Great value and I really like the player.

#111 - Tre Jackson - OG* - Even with Clemmings Tre Jackson is just too good to pass up here and I need to keep this pick the same.

#132 - DeAndre Smelter - WR - This pick might have been the same if I did not pick Clemmings... but I did. Smelter just has too much value here and upside and no DB that I really like.

#166 - Max Valles - OLB - I think more than a LS you want to take a chance on a talented LB.

#178 - Michael Bennett - DT - This is just a luxury pick but IDK why he fell so low. Scoop him up and see what happens.

#202 - Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - CB - A binky of mine before the draft and though he probably goes on IR I see him as a future "honey badger".

#247 -Darryl Roberts - CB* - This last pick I keep the same. Everything I read makes me love this kid and he has shown some stuff on the field already.

#253 - Jean Sifrin - TE - No good reason for this one... Home town kid makes good I guess and we could use depth. Surprised he went undrafted.

To look over the picks

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/track...acker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:1

The Patriots picks to remind those who might not know them all

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/track...-team/dt-by-round-input:1/dt-by-team-input:ne

How would you change it?

I love it, this is what should've happened. would've been a perfect draft

manxman2601 · Jul 11, 2015

I'd have been thrilled with a draft of TJ Clemmings, Deandre Smelter, Grady Jarrett, Shaq Mason, Tre McBride, JaCorey Shepherd and Marcus Hardison before the draft. That they all could have been had on day three still boggles my mind.

OhExaulted1 · Jul 27, 2015

It still comes as no shock to me that they made 1 low-level FA signing (Gibson) and picked up 2 UDRFA's (D'orazio and Harper) at WR.

I just rolled my eyes at post after post of the sign A. Johnson, S. Johnson, D. Bowe, B. Hartline as FA's and the we need to draft Smelter and McBride garbage.

The only guy I saw pined for in here that made any sense to me was Kenny Bell because he also had solid return skills. The other 2 WR's I really liked were T. Lockett because of his solid bloodlines, exp and return skills and Tony Lippett for his ability to play 2-ways.

I just laughed when Deus stated he "fully expects us to draft at least 2 WR's". Yeah, not so much. As far as TE's go, I was hoping for N. Boyle but Derby is a good grab at 202. Boyle is 265 and was team captain and just looks mean so he garnered binky status for me.

As for RB I loved the thought of Abdullah, but at 54 is way to high IMHO. After we signed Cadet and knowing Gaffney is waiting in the shadows the 2 guys I liked were Z. Zenner of S. Dakota ST. and Tyler Varga of Yale (11" hands! Yowza!).

Interior Line wise I was secretely hoping for both Jackson and Erving, but Erving went #19. An all FSU interior was a little pipe dream. We got 1. Wasn't worried about T with Flemming and Cannon backing up our proven bookends.

On DL I can't beleive Brown fell to us. A guy I was high on was Joey Mbu from Houston maybe as a late/UDFA. I think he's still out there. Arik Armstead intrigued me because of a) his size and b) his brother got a shot here and left with glowing praise from Bill. Unfortunately #17 was way out of our wheelhouse. Local guy Brian Milhalik was another one that gave me pause. When you see 6-9 295 it made me do a double take. Jordan Phillips seemed intiguing, but maturity? Big risk.

DE wise Nate Orchard and his 18.5 sacks and 28 QB knockdowns were hard to ignore. Z'Darius Smith as the forgotten guy across from Dupree had me interested. To me Flowers almost seems like a Hightower clone and I thought of him as reduntant, but Grissom was a surprise and the more I read about him the more I like him.

As far as LB goes I ignored it considering what we have with so many tweeners and established LBers. M. Wells wasn't anywhere on my radar. Potential ST ace and safety/LB tweener. Left feild pick that will probably become a fan favorite. Shows how much I know.

Speaking of Safety, Jordan Richards? I was thinking we might just take Landon Collins when #32 started closing in, especially when GB went with Randall. I knew we wouldnt take Tartt (Samford...not BB's style at #32). Fire your shots, but I was hoping we picked up Gerod Holliman at some point late. I know he can't tackle a wounded duck, but 14 INT's?

I really loved the CB class from this year. No once in a lifetime guy but it just seemed so deep: Jones, Collins, Rowe, Darby, Rollins, Williams, Carter, Walker.

I like the 3 guys we've picked up in the backfield in Roberts, King and Jean.

Just some random idle thoughts.

Off The Grid · Jul 28, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
A guy I was high on was Joey Mbu from Houston maybe as a late/UDFA. I think he's still out there.

The Falcons signed'm as a UFA, my good man.

captain stone · Aug 4, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
It still comes as no shock to me that they made 1 low-level FA signing (Gibson) and picked up 2 UDRFA's (D'orazio and Harper) at WR.

I just rolled my eyes at post after post of the sign A. Johnson, S. Johnson, D. Bowe, B. Hartline as FA's and the we need to draft Smelter and McBride garbage.

The only guy I saw pined for in here that made any sense to me was Kenny Bell because he also had solid return skills. The other 2 WR's I really liked were T. Lockett because of his solid bloodlines, exp and return skills and Tony Lippett for his ability to play 2-ways.

I just laughed when Deus stated he "fully expects us to draft at least 2 WR's". Yeah, not so much...

There was no way that Bill should've come out of this draft without at least one WR, if not 2.

manxman2601 · Aug 5, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
It still comes as no shock to me that they made 1 low-level FA signing (Gibson) and picked up 2 UDRFA's (D'orazio and Harper) at WR.

I just rolled my eyes at post after post of the sign A. Johnson, S. Johnson, D. Bowe, B. Hartline as FA's and the we need to draft Smelter and McBride garbage.

The only guy I saw pined for in here that made any sense to me was Kenny Bell because he also had solid return skills. The other 2 WR's I really liked were T. Lockett because of his solid bloodlines, exp and return skills and Tony Lippett for his ability to play 2-ways.

I just laughed when Deus stated he "fully expects us to draft at least 2 WR's". Yeah, not so much. As far as TE's go, I was hoping for N. Boyle but Derby is a good grab at 202. Boyle is 265 and was team captain and just looks mean so he garnered binky status for me.

As for RB I loved the thought of Abdullah, but at 54 is way to high IMHO. After we signed Cadet and knowing Gaffney is waiting in the shadows the 2 guys I liked were Z. Zenner of S. Dakota ST. and Tyler Varga of Yale (11" hands! Yowza!).

Interior Line wise I was secretely hoping for both Jackson and Erving, but Erving went #19. An all FSU interior was a little pipe dream. We got 1. Wasn't worried about T with Flemming and Cannon backing up our proven bookends.

On DL I can't beleive Brown fell to us. A guy I was high on was Joey Mbu from Houston maybe as a late/UDFA. I think he's still out there. Arik Armstead intrigued me because of a) his size and b) his brother got a shot here and left with glowing praise from Bill. Unfortunately #17 was way out of our wheelhouse. Local guy Brian Milhalik was another one that gave me pause. When you see 6-9 295 it made me do a double take. Jordan Phillips seemed intiguing, but maturity? Big risk.

DE wise Nate Orchard and his 18.5 sacks and 28 QB knockdowns were hard to ignore. Z'Darius Smith as the forgotten guy across from Dupree had me interested. To me Flowers almost seems like a Hightower clone and I thought of him as reduntant, but Grissom was a surprise and the more I read about him the more I like him.

As far as LB goes I ignored it considering what we have with so many tweeners and established LBers. M. Wells wasn't anywhere on my radar. Potential ST ace and safety/LB tweener. Left feild pick that will probably become a fan favorite. Shows how much I know.

Speaking of Safety, Jordan Richards? I was thinking we might just take Landon Collins when #32 started closing in, especially when GB went with Randall. I knew we wouldnt take Tartt (Samford...not BB's style at #32). Fire your shots, but I was hoping we picked up Gerod Holliman at some point late. I know he can't tackle a wounded duck, but 14 INT's?

I really loved the CB class from this year. No once in a lifetime guy but it just seemed so deep: Jones, Collins, Rowe, Darby, Rollins, Williams, Carter, Walker.

I like the 3 guys we've picked up in the backfield in Roberts, King and Jean.

Just some random idle thoughts.

As Smelter and McBride's biggest fan, I can only lol at the "garbage" reference.

OhExaulted1 · Aug 6, 2015

As I had explained in several posts prior to the FA then the draft, who was going to loose all those catches?

manxman2601 said:
As Smelter and McBride's biggest fan, I can only lol at the "garbage" reference.

As I stated in a few posts before FA and the draft, I just didn't see the need, nor would I have expected Smelter or McBride to either make the roster or clear waivers and make it to the PS squad without being claimed.

Tyms was re-signed, Gibson was signed and Dobson is still only 2 years removed from being a 2nd Rd pick who had a 37 rec. Rookie year and was still on the roster on draft weekend. Boyce as a former 4th rder I figured would get 1 more looksee. After they redid Amendola's deal I thought there was little chance of us picking a WR. As a matter of fact after Vereen left and we signed Cadet and the Chandler signing I didn't really think we'd pick any skill position player unless he had solid ST skills.

Last year Brady and Garrapolo combined for 393 pass completions. The breakdown is as follows

WR's-207 catches (52.7%) of that total Edelman, Lafell and Amendola combined for 193 of those catches constituting 92.3% of that total. The other 14 catches were made by Thomkins (whose gone), Tyms and Dobson for the other 7.7% (3.5% of the overall team total).

TE's-All but 3 of their 111 catches (28.2%) were made by Gronk and Wright. Wrights 26 catches are gone. Chandler made 47 grabs last year and has averaged 45 over the last 4 seasons.

RB's- Vereen had 52 of the 74 catches (18.8%) out of the backfield last year. Cadet had 38 in his 1 full season in NO. White and Gaffney had some decent #'s receiving out of college to compete, and don't sleep on Bolden, who had 21 receptions in 2013 and has an inside track for a roster spot due to his ST's experience.

It wasn't at all that I doubted their ability, it was more a matter of how do we hold on to them and still address our other holes without wasting a draft pick on a player we end up losing or wasting a roster spot on a player we don't use. There's only 1 ball to go around.

manxman2601 · Aug 6, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
As I had explained in several posts prior to the FA then the draft, who was going to loose all those catches?

As I stated in a few posts before FA and the draft, I just didn't see the need, nor would I have expected Smelter or McBride to either make the roster or clear waivers and make it to the PS squad without being claimed.

Tyms was re-signed, Gibson was signed and Dobson is still only 2 years removed from being a 2nd Rd pick who had a 37 rec. Rookie year and was still on the roster on draft weekend. Boyce as a former 4th rder I figured would get 1 more looksee. After they redid Amendola's deal I thought there was little chance of us picking a WR. As a matter of fact after Vereen left and we signed Cadet and the Chandler signing I didn't really think we'd pick any skill position player unless he had solid ST skills.

Last year Brady and Garrapolo combined for 393 pass completions. The breakdown is as follows

WR's-207 catches (52.7%) of that total Edelman, Lafell and Amendola combined for 193 of those catches constituting 92.3% of that total. The other 14 catches were made by Thomkins (whose gone), Tyms and Dobson for the other 7.7% (3.5% of the overall team total).

TE's-All but 3 of their 111 catches (28.2%) were made by Gronk and Wright. Wrights 26 catches are gone. Chandler made 47 grabs last year and has averaged 45 over the last 4 seasons.

RB's- Vereen had 52 of the 74 catches (18.8%) out of the backfield last year. Cadet had 38 in his 1 full season in NO. White and Gaffney had some decent #'s receiving out of college to compete, and don't sleep on Bolden, who had 21 receptions in 2013 and has an inside track for a roster spot due to his ST's experience.

It wasn't at all that I doubted their ability, it was more a matter of how do we hold on to them and still address our other holes without wasting a draft pick on a player we end up losing or wasting a roster spot on a player we don't use. There's only 1 ball to go around.

But you draft for talent and the future, not just immediate need. We drafted three DE/OLBs, how many reps do you see them getting behind Jones, Nink and Sheard? At the end of the day, BB hasn't drafted a WR in two years so that tends to support your theory but I take issue with wanting two talented WRs like Smelter and McBride being described as "garbage". I would take both over Gibson, D'Orazio, Harper and maybe even Boyce and Dobson. But then Mayo and I were a lot higher on Smelter than almost anyone else.

OhExaulted1 · Aug 7, 2015

manxman2601 said:
But you draft for talent and the future, not just immediate need. We drafted three DE/OLBs, how many reps do you see them getting behind Jones, Nink and Sheard? At the end of the day, BB hasn't drafted a WR in two years so that tends to support your theory but I take issue with wanting two talented WRs like Smelter and McBride being described as "garbage". I would take both over Gibson, D'Orazio, Harper and maybe even Boyce and Dobson. But then Mayo and I were a lot higher on Smelter than almost anyone else.

You may have taken the garbage comment out of context. I by no means meant those 2 we're "garbage", I was more referring to the idea of signing or drafting any big name or high pick WR. The fact McBride lasted until 245 was a surprise for sure. If Smelter had lasted into the 5th or 6th Rd I could have seen that as a possibility since the door would have been open to stash him for a year on IR with the ACL as a reason, but #132 was to high with the needs we had, and I have no complaints with the 3 players we took in the 4th before him.

I thought it was a joke that so many draft sites had us taking a WR with our #1 pick. Over and over I saw the names of DGB, Funchess, Coates and even guys like Strong, Montgomery and Diggs going to us at #32 knowing that there was NO WAY that was going to happen. With the big 3 entrenched, the Chandler and Gibson signings and Wright and Dobson still on the roster at draft time I didn't see us going WR early period and late didn't seem likely either.

And BTW, we did take a WR last year. Jeremy Gallon at #244.

manxman2601 · Aug 7, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
You may have taken the garbage comment out of context. I by no means meant those 2 we're "garbage", I was more referring to the idea of signing or drafting any big name or high pick WR. The fact McBride lasted until 245 was a surprise for sure. If Smelter had lasted into the 5th or 6th Rd I could have seen that as a possibility since the door would have been open to stash him for a year on IR with the ACL as a reason, but #132 was to high with the needs we had, and I have no complaints with the 3 players we took in the 4th before him.

I thought it was a joke that so many draft sites had us taking a WR with our #1 pick. Over and over I saw the names of DGB, Funchess, Coates and even guys like Strong, Montgomery and Diggs going to us at #32 knowing that there was NO WAY that was going to happen. With the big 3 entrenched, the Chandler and Gibson signings and Wright and Dobson still on the roster at draft time I didn't see us going WR early period and late didn't seem likely either.

And BTW, we did take a WR last year. Jeremy Gallon at #244.

I understand your use of the word, I just don't agree that using a day three pick on anyone can be considered that way. But then I had a second round grade on Smelter, and would have gladly taken him there (injury excepted). I felt he could do, in part, what Dobson, Wright and Amendola could do on the field and would have been a perfect long-term replacement for LaFell. I suppose we just have different draft philosophies.

captain stone · Aug 7, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
And BTW, we did take a WR last year. Jeremy Gallon at #244.

I think Manx meant a Real WR.

OhExaulted1 · Aug 8, 2015

manxman2601 said:
I understand your use of the word, I just don't agree that using a day three pick on anyone can be considered that way. But then I had a second round grade on Smelter, and would have gladly taken him there (injury excepted). I felt he could do, in part, what Dobson, Wright and Amendola could do on the field and would have been a perfect long-term replacement for LaFell. I suppose we just have different draft philosophies.

I can buy that. There is certainly an upcoming need. I see a WR coming in the draft early next year, but I'm still so pissed off they took our 1st it's almost blind rage. Next year, as I thought before all this BS happened, looked like the perfect time to take one in the first 2 rounds.

Give me some good candidates to research as I know how in-tune both you and Mayo are. Edelman, Amendola and Slater will all be be 30 next year and Lafell 29. We are thin and if an injury occurs we're left with Dobson (who just got hurt I think), Tyms (you can play,but your DEFINALY NOT a Randy Moss clone) and Gibson (who I would label "serviceable"). The 4 spot is a hole, but it's hard to argue against what our big 3 did last year and now, from the looks of it, a 2 TE dominated passing offense (BTW, Chandler will be 31 next year).

Forget last year, give me some idea on this years bumper crop. I'm in tune with buying in on some of the possible 2nd, 3rd or later gems. Still pissed we got robbed of our 1, but Bill has shown he will move up if he sees value. On another note, as your I'm sure you're aware, Belichek has taken 1 WR in the first Rd in 20 years as being HC (D. Alexander #29 last pick in the firt when he coached Clev.) He's taken some shots in the 2nd and got burned for the most part (Branch being the exception, who nobody liked because he had a "5" in front of his physical stature).

I actually had an eye for JJ Nelson in the draft as well, but at 155 lbs. I reconsidered thinking he'll get killed as a retuner against NFL competition.

Find me some sleepers for next years draft and you may very well see me buying in. I find your insight exceptionally noteworthy when it comes draft time. Keep it up and cheers!

manxman2601 · Aug 8, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
I can buy that. There is certainly an upcoming need. I see a WR coming in the draft early next year, but I'm still so pissed off they took our 1st it's almost blind rage. Next year, as I thought before all this BS happened, looked like the perfect time to take one in the first 2 rounds.

Give me some good candidates to research as I know how in-tune both you and Mayo are. Edelman, Amendola and Slater will all be be 30 next year and Lafell 29. We are thin and if an injury occurs we're left with Dobson (who just got hurt I think), Tyms (you can play,but your DEFINALY NOT a Randy Moss clone) and Gibson (who I would label "serviceable"). The 4 spot is a hole, but it's hard to argue against what our big 3 did last year and now, from the looks of it, a 2 TE dominated passing offense (BTW, Chandler will be 31 next year).

Forget last year, give me some idea on this years bumper crop. I'm in tune with buying in on some of the possible 2nd, 3rd or later gems. Still pissed we got robbed of our 1, but Bill has shown he will move up if he sees value. On another note, as your I'm sure you're aware, Belichek has taken 1 WR in the first Rd in 20 years as being HC (D. Alexander #29 last pick in the firt when he coached Clev.) He's taken some shots in the 2nd and got burned for the most part (Branch being the exception, who nobody liked because he had a "5" in front of his physical stature).

I actually had an eye for JJ Nelson in the draft as well, but at 155 lbs. I reconsidered thinking he'll get killed as a retuner against NFL competition.

Find me some sleepers for next years draft and you may very well see me buying in. I find your insight exceptionally noteworthy when it comes draft time. Keep it up and cheers!

I haven't really started scouting yet - just started looking at RBs at the moment. I always despair of finding binkies at this stage of the year, but the Smelter's, Hardison's and Shaq Mason's invariably turn up. It will be harder this year because it'll be tough to know whether are prospect is even worth watching. However, if you want a couple of early tips, watch Rutgers for their EDGE rusher Kemoko Turay (future Von Miller?) and Washington RB Dwayne Washington (who is McFadden-ish). Not there on WRs yet but it's looking like a potentially strong class for the third straight year.

OhExaulted1 · Aug 8, 2015

manxman2601 said:
I haven't really started scouting yet - just started looking at RBs at the moment. I always despair of finding binkies at this stage of the year, but the Smelter's, Hardison's and Shaq Mason's invariably turn up. It will be harder this year because it'll be tough to know whether are prospect is even worth watching. However, if you want a couple of early tips, watch Rutgers for their EDGE rusher Kemoko Turay (future Von Miller?) and Washington RB Dwayne Washington (who is McFadden-ish). Not there on WRs yet but it's looking like a potentially strong class for the third straight year.

Stay strong and focused. I found your insights in the last draft extremely valuable. Losing our 1st took some life out of my zest for the draft. In '08 many people remember we got #31 taken from us. Few remember we still were a bigtime player in that "08 draft:

"The Patriots traded their first- and fifth-round selections (#7 and #164 overall) to the New Orleans Saintsfor the Saints' first- and third-round draft picks (#10 and #78 overall). The #7 pick was received with a 2007 fourth-round pick in a trade from the San Francisco 49ers for the Patriots' first-round pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.Boston.com summary"

That got us Jerod Mayo.

Of course we picked stick-leg Crable at 78, but Slater was also a boom at 153.

You never know. I'm not going to shun the 2016 Patriots draft just because of this BS. I think Kraft took the hit so Tom could be on the field and it back-fired, but there are plenty of threads on the main board to discuss that.

Still pissed about the Jets getting to skate on the tampering charge with Revis. The last time it happened was G. Cunningham in 2011 and the Chiefs were awarded a return, but obviously precedent means nothing to our current LO. Roger just makes it up as he goes and if it hurts NE, all the better.

He's all about the 31, just not the 32.

OhExaulted1 · Aug 8, 2015

Fine Woody Johnson a $100,000 bucks and ignore previous rulings.

What an effing joke.

OhExaulted1 · Aug 9, 2015

Back on topic, my redo:
#32-Malcolm Brown DT Texas. 6-2 319. Just can't argue with this pick. Vince left and we need to stay young and powerful in the trenches. Can't believe he fell this far. My comparison would be Ty Warren.

#64-Tyler Lockett WR Kansas ST. 5-10 182. Jules and Danny will be hitting 30. A new slot/return dynamo is a need. Great college production and bloodlines are hard to ignore.

#97-TJ Clemmings OT Pittsburgh. 6-5 309. How in the hell did he slide this far? Vollmers 31, Solder hasn't reworked his deal. To high a grade to pass on. Why not find out if him, Flemming or Cannon can man a guard spot? If not RT depth is solid if something happens to SeaBass.

#101-Marcus Hardison DL Arizona ST. 6-3 307. More beef and flexibilty in the trnches.

#111-Tre' Jackson OG Florida ST. 6-4 330. Shore up the LG spot next to his 'ole buddy Stork.

#131-Mark Glowinsi OG West Virginia. 6-4 307. Forget about the OL and protecting Brady for the next 4 years. Best OL in the NFL.

#166-Nick Boyle TE Deleware 6-4 268. Team Captain. He can learn how to block better. He looks like a guy with a nasty streak who just needs to be unleashed. Great hands.

#178-JaCorey Shepherd CB Kansas 5-11 199. 32 PD's last 2 years +5 picks. Tough, agressive and underrated.

#202-Anthony Chickillo DE Miami 6-3 267. Book on him is this-"He doesn't have a position as far as I can tell. I don't think he projects inside or outside. He's just caught between positions.-NFC scout" Sounds like a Patriot to me.

#247-Daryll Roberts CB Marshall 6-0 182. You take this guy here all day long.

#253-Kurtis Drummond S Michigan St. 6-1 208 "Drummond is a bag of mismatched parts." 25 PD's and 8 picks last 2 years. Sounds like he just needs some good coaching.

We signed 7 UDFA's after the draft, so I'll pick 7.

Bobby Richardson DE Indiana 6-3 283
Cody Prewitt S Mississippi 6-2 208
Nick Marshall CB Auburn 6-1 207
David Erving DL Iowa St. 6-7 272 Take a flier and hope he grows up
Josue Matias OG Florida 6-5 309
Tyler Varga FB Yale 5-11 222
RJ Harris WR New Hampshire 6-0 200

OhExaulted1 · Aug 9, 2015

manxman2601 said:
Hang on! A second round WR? That's garbage

Love the Jacorey Shepherd pick but I'd still take Mason over Glowinski. Harrison and Clemmings were binkies so I obviously approve of those picks as I do Chickillo but I'd pass on Nick Boyle personally. Apart from your 2nd round WR and Glowinski over Mason, I'd be very happy with that.

I know. I really liked him. I think Seattle got a steal. I think they'll forget about Percy Harvin real quick with that dude. Tom had that 1 great season with Randy, but otherwise his success can be mostly attributed to the "smurfs". I waffled a bit between Glowinski and Mason. We've just had so much success with guys who's last name ends in "ski" (moms Polish

). Speaking of this pick I also put stong consideration to Tony Lippett (egad, 2 WR's from a guy like me!). I found his 2-way skills very intriguing, but alas, I thought Miami taking him at #156 was to high, so #131 I just couldn't justify it. If he was there at 166 then Boyle would have been crossed out.

That #166 pick was tough with #178 coming right up. Guys I also liked there were CB's Damian Swann (Georgia) and Tye Smith (Towson). I actually remembered (I think it was you) posting good things about Shepherd so I figured I'm going CB 12 picks later so don't be redundant. I was also thinking about I was going defense with the back part of the draft.

Thanks for the input, though. Your one of the posters that make the Draft Forum roll so I keep coming back.

manxman2601 · Aug 9, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
I know. I really liked him. I think Seattle got a steal. I think they'll forget about Percy Harvin real quick with that dude. Tom had that 1 great season with Randy, but otherwise his success can be mostly attributed to the "smurfs". I waffled a bit between Glowinski and Mason. We've just had so much success with guys who's last name ends in "ski" (moms Polish). Speaking of this pick I also put stong consideration to Tony Lippett (egad, 2 WR's from a guy like me!). I found his 2-way skills very intriguing, but alas, I thought Miami taking him at #156 was to high, so #131 I just couldn't justify it. If he was there at 166 then Boyle would have been crossed out.

That #166 pick was tough with #178 coming right up. Guys I also liked there were CB's Damian Swann (Georgia) and Tye Smith (Towson). I actually remembered (I think it was you) posting good things about Shepherd so I figured I'm going CB 12 picks later so don't be redundant. I was also thinking about I was going defense with the back part of the draft.

Thanks for the input, though. Your one of the posters that make the Draft Forum roll so I keep coming back.

Yes it was me that really liked Shepherd. It was looking like he was going to start at nickel back this year, was having a good camp, but it sounds like he got a bad injury today - was carted off the field.

As an aside, Ameer Abdullah was probably my favourite prospect last year and he's supposed to be killing it in Detroit. I've already seen speculation about him being rookie of the year.

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