There It Is! NFL Informed Officials of New 2015 Game Ball Procedures This Weekend

Some of you guys are getting excited like when Ted Wells was hired as an "independent investigator."

Goodell and Kensil will never let any evidence showing they're fools see the light of day. The test will be set up to wait a sufficient amount of time for the ball to restabilize inside before they are gauged, so there will never be a huge discrepancy. And if there ever is a discrepancy as large as the Patriots the records will be lost. Bottom line is at the end of the season a report will come out that says NO BALLS DURING THE SEASON WERE EVER FOUND TO DEFLATE AS MUCH AS THE PATRIOTS!!!

The headline will run, some articles will be written about how the procedures are different and records questionable but it won't matter because the NFL is engaged in a PR war, not a truth war, and they are better at it than the Patriots.

This is not good for the Patriots, because they won't ever let it be good for the Patriots.

patsfan13 said:

The Patriots should inflate a non game balol to 12.5 psi indoors, display the process on the big screen inside the stadium, show the ball being transported to the field. Display the ball prominently on the sideline, then at halftime measure the psi being measured on the big screen in the stadium.

Do this for all games when the temp will be under 50 degrees.

Embarrass the NFL. Get the damn pick back, exonerate Brady.

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That would be beyond awesome.

But since Kraft is a sackless wonder, it'll never happen.

Measurements should be taken before a Gronk TD

ummmm....I thought they didn't have time to check 24 balls at halftime....

Remember when football was a man's game and they played with leather helmuts and virtually no padding?

Now the weight in a football that's equivelent to a dollar bill (that's right, if you convert 2psi of air to the weight of a dollar bill it is about the same on a standard scale=1 gram) can cause a national uproar.

The actual weight of an NFL football inflated between 12.5-13.5 PSI is between 14-15 ounces (400-430 grams, just under a lb). A football under this threshold actually travels slower and not quite as far as the recommended minimum.

The league has gotten so ridiculous that 399 grams instead of 400 is such a major violation that you will lose 2 future draft picks, have your QB suspended for a 1/4 of the season, be fined $1 million bucks' and have your franchise publicly humiliated and villified on a national scale.

The game has progressed under Roger? Really? Eff this integrity BS. It's become a farce and this sport looks more like Desperate Housewives than the mans game of football I grew up with.

Bobsyouruncle said:

Some of you guys are getting excited like when Ted Wells was hired as an "independent investigator."

Goodell and Kensil will never let any evidence showing they're fools see the light of day. The test will be set up to wait a sufficient amount of time for the ball to restabilize inside before they are gauged, so there will never be a huge discrepancy. And if there ever is a discrepancy as large as the Patriots the records will be lost. Bottom line is at the end of the season a report will come out that says NO BALLS DURING THE SEASON WERE EVER FOUND TO DEFLATE AS MUCH AS THE PATRIOTS!!!

The headline will run, some articles will be written about how the procedures are different and records questionable but it won't matter because the NFL is engaged in a PR war, not a truth war, and they are better at it than the Patriots.

This is not good for the Patriots, because they won't ever let it be good for the Patriots.

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I think you're right but I am hoping (praying) that the media performs some oversight. One way or another, whatever the results of these random tests are, we have a big story.

Bobsyouruncle said:

Some of you guys are getting excited like when Ted Wells was hired as an "independent investigator."

Goodell and Kensil will never let any evidence showing they're fools see the light of day. The test will be set up to wait a sufficient amount of time for the ball to restabilize inside before they are gauged, so there will never be a huge discrepancy. And if there ever is a discrepancy as large as the Patriots the records will be lost. Bottom line is at the end of the season a report will come out that says NO BALLS DURING THE SEASON WERE EVER FOUND TO DEFLATE AS MUCH AS THE PATRIOTS!!!

The headline will run, some articles will be written about how the procedures are different and records questionable but it won't matter because the NFL is engaged in a PR war, not a truth war, and they are better at it than the Patriots.

This is not good for the Patriots, because they won't ever let it be good for the Patriots.

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The problem with that is if their readings don't square with the ideal gas law, non-football scientists will question the integrity of their system.

The Wells report got around this by trying to show a different gauge was used.

My problem with this is I'm thinking logically how they could get out of this problem. But, I would never get myself into this mess, so my logic doesn't apply.

Some parts of the media are slowly turning to the Patriots side. (NO THE THIS IS NOT THE TIDE TURNING. It's just kind of shifting a little bit.) Florio, the guy from Yahoo Sports, Peter King, etc. They will be sure to watch to see if the NFL screws with how they do their measurements. Not for the sake of the Patriots but because of the media shi.tstorm it would create and by god they'd love to cover that. It'd be a big story if it came out that, again, the league is lying to cover its own ass and it can be proven.

Believe me, I've learned my lesson from the Wells Report. I was one of the most optimistic people on these forums about it until it was released. But this is different. People outside the league are aware now just how flawed the science was and how it points to the NFL trying to cover its own ass. And they are itching to catch the NFL embarrassing themselves even more. I really don't think the NFL can continue to screw around with deflategate, especially when they go to court. They are under too much scrutiny already, if suddenly their measurements start violating the Ideal Gas Law, measurements not from possibly vague recollections that they can tiptoe around but from live weekly samples, then they're screwed.

And don't you think that Brady is going to make sure that the refs put in exactly the right amount of PSI he wants and that he will want proof every single game going forward? I really really doubt he'll be foolish enough not to demand a second by second account of the gameballs until they are out on the field. No more balls with 16.5 psi against the Jets, and no chance for the NFL to later lie about the starting air pressure when the recordings are done at the end of the game. Brady will have proof that yes, they started at 12.5, not 13.5, before they ballooned up to 14.0 on a hot Miami day.

Can I just add that they should also maybe consider, oh......... calibrating the instruments sometime between now and 9/10?

VectorPrime said:

Some parts of the media are slowly turning to the Patriots side. Florio, the guy from Yahoo Sports, Peter King, etc. They will be sure to keep watch the NFL doesn't screw with how they do their measurements. Not for the sake of the Patriots but because of the media shi.tstorm it would create and by god they'd love to cover that.

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Agreed. We have to rely on those few members of the media that hate the league office more than they hate the Patriots.

XLIX said:

Can I just add that they should also maybe consider, oh......... calibrating the instruments sometime between now and 9/10?

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They won't spend the money for goal line cameras, they aren't buying quality gauges.

I highly doubt the NFL will be transparent with this.

I just can't see them releasing any info if it favors science and the Patriots.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p...ew-nfl-policy-undermines-tom-brady-suspension

ESPN questions basis for penalties. Will he split the baby?

VectorPrime said:

The Patriots don't need to use the actual game balls for their own measurements. That would be against the rules anyway. They should just bring out extra regulation style balls, make sure they are CLEARLY MARKED as such so there is no confusion onto which balls go onto the field, and then measure those ones.

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Don't you think the local media is going to be all over this? I can't see how local T.V and sports radio don't do this for every Pats game.

3 new rules to fight NE "cheating", just in one year too (wow, must be a record):

Loophole on illegal formations used to smack Ravens

“The Edelman Rule” to check for concussions during games, used to smack da'Hawks course.

Now inflation checks on levels of footballs used to get all up an cozy and smack the brains of the Colts before game even started. Oh yeah, thx Ravens! You psyched out the Colts before our "W" even started.

SB 49 victory needs 3 asterisks in 2014 I guess. What a bunch a whining babies.

"Learn the rules" TB, should never back down. Especially if those spiteful Ravens were the whole cause of this mess. Hmm, perhaps I understand the dynamic a bit more now. TB, if throwing a big middle finger to b*tches in BAL, it's personal, and will never back down. I'm going with that from here out, I won't even consider any settling except for a mere pittance an option for TB any longer.

So every time a ball comes in at >1 psi out of spec, can we assume that the team will be stripped of a 1st and their QB suspended 4 games?

BradyFTW! said:

So every time a ball comes in at >1 psi out of spec, can we assume that the team will be stripped of a 1st and their QB suspended 4 games?

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You've forgotten the addendum to the rule:

17b.-Only if it's the Patriots.

patsfan13 said:

The Patriots should inflate a non game balol to 12.5 psi indoors, display the process on the big screen inside the stadium, show the ball being transported to the field. Display the ball prominently on the sideline, then at halftime measure the psi being measured on the big screen in the stadium.

Do this for all games when the temp will be under 50 degrees.

Embarrass the NFL. Get the damn pick back, exonerate Brady.

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This is a fantastic idea. The Pats should have ANNOUNCED they would do this immediately after the controversy began and the whole thing would have collapsed.

Tony2046 said:

One of the first comments:

Wise up folks. These are not the consequences of a coincidence. Cheat or not, these are the actions of the guilty

Cheat or not?? So does this mean the tide is turning? It used to be "they cheated" but now its graduated to "cheat or not"

haha "Cheat or not" what in the hell is that?

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Doesn't that comment alone say "whether they cheated or not they're guilty"?

How are you still guilty if you didn't cheat, lol.

That's how the majority of the fans outside of ours will always view this. Get used to it. Can be proven innocent by every official, court, owner, scientist, text message, yet we're still guilty. Largely in part due to our spineless owner and equally as large due to our continued success.

goheels22002 said:

What happens if a ball is underinflated? Does that team lose a 1st, a 4th, and their starting QB for four games?​

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No, that only happens if the balls are correctly inflated but someone stops to take a pee on the way out to the field.