[NFL Propaganda] NFL would like you to think they are wearing Brady down

Dude is not afraid of gigantic linebackers and defensive lineman, now he's supposedly afraid of old men with flaccid chest looking like tits? give me a break

I literally laughed out loud when I read this article. Brady is human and every person has a breaking point but the NFL dragging this out will not break Brady's will to clear his name.

Not. Gonna.Happen.

...the nfl will announce the suspension a day before the season stars.

Any human being who can look beyond bias and has actually watched this whole thing go down should be questioning this entire "scandal" if only based off the NFL's behavior.

smurfalarm said:

The incredible thing is that without all the dumb underhanded crap like this, Brady would not have a chance in court.

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This statement is wrong. NFLPA had enough ammo without this other stuff to get the suspension thrown out.

Gronkowski123 said:

...the nfl will announce the suspension a day before the season stars.

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1st play huddle

JMC00 said:

This statement is wrong. NFLPA had enough ammo without this other stuff to get the suspension thrown out.

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I think you misunderstand where I'm coming from. If this had gone to an independent arbitrator, I figure the independent arbitrator would probably have vacated the suspension after reviewing the evidence and the NFL's discipline process, just like happened in the Ray Rice case. It's not a guarantee that this is how an objective arbitrator would have ruled, but it seems like the most probable outcome to me. Then regardless of how the arbitrator would have ruled, suspension or no suspension, the whole process probably would have ended there unless the arbitrator had blatantly overstepped his powers.

The reason the court battle probably would not have gone very far is that courts don't overturn binding labor arbitration decisions just based on the arbitrator getting the wrong decision, they overturn labor arbitration decisions based on violations in the arbitration procedure itself. There are exactly four reasons why a court can overturn an arbitration decision: corruption/fraud, evidently partial or corrupt arbitrator, arbitrator misconduct that violates the procedural rights of one of the parties, or arbitrator exceeding the powers granted to him or her in the CBA (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/9/10). Notice that none of those are "arbitrator misinterpreted the evidence".

Now think about how those four reasons might apply to Brady's current appeal to Goodell. Goodell is acting as arbitrator for an appeals process over a decision that he made. He is responding to the interests of NFL owners. He is deliberately making the proceedings difficult for Brady by delaying the ruling in order to get Brady to accept the maximum penalty. In doing so, he is both directly violating the CBA and demonstrating his partiality in the outcome, thus strengthening the case that the arbitration process was improperly conducted and the decision could be vacated in court. Perhaps it will be vacated in court. Perhaps it won't. But one thing is clear: with a truly independent arbitrator who did not make all these mistakes, there might have still been a case based on some other procedural issue, but it would have been so much weaker than the one he has now. And frankly, it's a complete embarrassment to the NFL that Goodell chose to inject himself into the appeals process in this manner. It demonstrates a level of pettiness and incompetence that even I didn't expect at the start of this disciplinary process.

P-S-Y-O-Ps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_(United_States)

I'm still trying to figure out what made this go from " The NFL trying to figure out if Brady did anything and if he did punish him fairly and accordingly" to "The NFL doing everything in its power to nail Brady to the wall regardless of whether he did anything"

I had to put these together since that is what this reminded me of - sorry for the sloppiness!

Zeus said:

The league's leaks suggesting that they expect Brady eventually to relent and accept a suspension must be pissing him off even more. Could these guys be any more cluelsss?

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Exactly. If they think they're going to wear down Brady on a matter of principal where he's in the right, then they know as much about Brady's competitive nature as they do about basic gas physics.

Rob0729 said:

I have said all along that unlike Kraft with the lost draft picks, I think I will support Brady with whatever decision he decides since this is about him more than the team. That said, I will be very disappointed in him if he lets Goodell and the NFL wear him down and cave on a suspension. I don't want Goodell winning in any way.

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If that were the case, then what would be the difference other than a fan fawning over the good looking QB hero vs. the wrinkled old owner in the luxury box?

I don't think Brady would cave, but if he did and if the same same people villifying Kraft let Brady off the hook, then all that holy righteousness has been high school popularity contest hypocracy.

I would be just as upset at Brady if he meekly accepted any penalty in this (other than 50K for whatever "non-cooperation") as I am at Kraft. It doesn't matter if he is the good looking QB.

It is not "more about him than about the team" as you wrote. If he accepts any guilt in this, he puts his stamp of approval for the haters to cast all the previous Patriots SB victories as tainted.

He would be just as bad as Kraft.

We know Goodie reads this board, so screw you Goodie! You're a joke and an incompetent has-been.

No matter what you do, Belichick, Tom Brady and the Patriots will keep winning and there's nothing you can do about it.

Brady will wear Goodell down. It would be impossible for Goodie to wear Brady down.

Given Krafty's pathetic capitulation...and given the NFL's choreographed witch hunt......the only victory I care about in 2015 is Brady's victory. I'm at the point.....Tom before Team. If the team record is 1-16 and their only win is Brady vindication in court......cue the duck boats........and prepare the gallows for Goodell's lynching

shmessy said:

If that were the case, then what would be the difference other than a fan fawning over the good looking QB hero vs. the wrinkled old owner in the luxury box?

I don't think Brady would cave, but if he did and if the same same people villifying Kraft let Brady off the hook, then all that holy righteousness has been high school popularity contest hypocracy.

I would be just as upset at Brady if he meekly accepted any penalty in this (other than 50K for whatever "non-cooperation") as I am at Kraft. It doesn't matter if he is the good looking QB.

It is not "more about him than about the team" as you wrote. If he accepts any guilt in this, he puts his stamp of approval for the haters to cast all the previous Patriots SB victories as tainted.

He would be just as bad as Kraft.

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Disagree, Kraft supposedly has the power and influence to fight this (and Spygate as well) but choose to be goodell's lap dog instead. When the Pat's get attacked he backs the attackers. He has thrown Belichick and Brady under the bus. Brady just wants to play football. Kraft is much, much worse IMO

If I were Brady, this would make me angrier and more determined than ever.

Armchair Quarterback said:

Disagree, Kraft supposedly has the power and influence to fight this (and Spygate as well) but choose to be goodell's lap dog instead. When the Pat's get attacked he backs the attackers. He has thrown Belichick and Brady under the bus. Brady just wants to play football. Kraft is much, much worse IMO

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Kraft is fighting 31 other business "partners".

Brady's only partner is Gisele (and Under Armour, Vitamin Water, Uggs, etc who have no reason for him to back down).

Right is right. If you cannot stand up for the truth, you are part of the lie.

Kraft already stood down.

If Brady admits to something untrue, then he is just as blameable.

In fact, if Brady admits to doing something that didn't happen about HIMSELF, it would be WORSE.

Other than the non-cooperation part, I don't see it ever happening (unless he truly WAS involved).

shmessy said:

If that were the case, then what would be the difference other than a fan fawning over the good looking QB hero vs. the wrinkled old owner in the luxury box?

I don't think Brady would cave, but if he did and if the same same people villifying Kraft let Brady off the hook, then all that holy righteousness has been high school popularity contest hypocracy.

I would be just as upset at Brady if he meekly accepted any penalty in this (other than 50K for whatever "non-cooperation") as I am at Kraft. It doesn't matter if he is the good looking QB.

It is not "more about him than about the team" as you wrote. If he accepts any guilt in this, he puts his stamp of approval for the haters to cast all the previous Patriots SB victories as tainted.

He would be just as bad as Kraft.

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I see the difference as the Brady suspension being more of hit to him than the team. If Goodell reduces it to two games, the Pats weather the storm. It is more of a hit to Brady.

With the first and fourth round pick, that is a potential stud and solid role player that the Pats have lost for 3-10 years. It is a huge impact to the team.

But I always looked at the suspension as personal punishment for Brady (although the team takes a hit for it), but the lost draft picks is a major hit for the team.

If Goodell offered to give back the first and fourth as long as Brady takes four games, would anyone say no to that.

I don't buy that Brady would cave and take a multiple game suspension without fighting it in court, but I still believe this is his suspension and it is his choice on how to proceed. The lost draft picks is a punishment to the entire team and their fans and should have been at least had been appealed. Even with the knowledge it was a sham process.

Rob0729 said:

If Goodell offered to give back the first and fourth as long as Brady takes four games, would anyone say no to that.

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I would.

Right is right.

If Brady did nothing wrong, he should fight to the end. He would also win in court.

Goodell is screwed. Aside from the lack of facts in the Wells Report, his role as arbiter when he APPOINTED his underling to make the punishment from the report he PAID FOR and CHOSE the author.......

He's screwed. There is no reason for Brady to back down, unless he is culpable.

I hope Goody the coward waits until halfway through August, the case will be ripe and Kessler can file an injunction, that should piss off the judge enough. I can't think of any way this could have been more screwed up but Goody the coward keeps upping the bar. If he f-ucks this up enough maybe enough owners will be disgusted enough to toss his cowardly *** onto the street.