Wash Post Article on League Support v. Brady

Hoodie said:

How does the Commissioner emerge as credible if he sticks to the 4 game suspension and it's overturned in court? Not sure why the owners would push for this given that this is the likely result. It's just delaying the inevitable. The only way he maintains any credibility is if Brady concedes and all signs point to that not happening (thank God!)

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Always start with the basics

1.) Most People Are Idiots

In this case, you don't really have to go beyond that.

Fencer said:

While you're basically right, I think you're misreading this particular article or quote. It's about whether Brady would settle for a smaller number of games suspended, not whether he'd accept a token fine.

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The article that I took the quote from explicitly states that he's willing to accept a fine, but no suspension.

Maybe goody is dragging this to as close as he can till opening day therefore not giving brady and the union much time to file.

BradyFTW! said:

The article that I took the quote from explicitly states that he's willing to accept a fine, but no suspension.

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Ive read this and find it hard to believe that brady would accept anything less than full exoneration. To accept a fine would be admitting guilt.

reflexblue said:

Ive read this and find it hard to believe that brady would accept anything less than full exoneration. To accept a fine would be admitting guilt.

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Deus Irae said:

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Please tell me and the viewing audience why what is so face palming bad about posting that brady accepting a deal would be admitting guilt. Or is this just another deus attempt at trolling.

reflexblue said:

Please tell me and the viewing audience why what is so face palming bad about posting that brady accepting a deal would be admitting guilt. Or is this just another deus attempt at trolling.

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Try reading threads before posting in them.

Deus Irae said:

Try reading threads before posting in them.

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I did read the thread dues. You write really good stuff most of the time. But then you go out of your way to try and agitate other members with troll like behavior. This is one of those times.

reflexblue said:

I did read the thread dues. You write really good stuff most of the time. But then you go out of your way to try and agitate other members with troll like behavior. This is one of those times.

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I think at least one of his earlier posts was pretty clear on point that many innocent folks pay fines to NOT go to court and never admit guilt. He trolled, but he had you dead to rights too.

Of course unless part of any settlement was for the nfl to clearly say Brady was innocent and only fined for noncooperation, the trolls will all claim the fine proves guilt.

Silly route of speculation anyway. even if penalty gets dropped to a fine I think TB/nflpa should sue to get the hearing clause of the CBA stripped-revoked and go back to table for something new. This is their best shot to achieve that. Ray rice beating up his wife doesn't convince anybody the nfl system is broke, this case does

reflexblue said:

Ive read this and find it hard to believe that brady would accept anything less than full exoneration. To accept a fine would be admitting guilt.

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I guess we just fundamentally disagree, then. If he accepts a fine that's less than the cost of litigation would be, then that's essentially exoneration. Anyone who spins that as an admission of guilt was never going to come to any other conclusion anyway.

Raymond said:

I want those gutless owners to lose all their best players to season ending injuries. I want their teams accused falsely of every violation. I want all their roided up players suspended. I want them finishing with less wins this year than Brady has rings.

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But all 32 of them are gutless owners. I'm not sure what you're asking for is possible.

reflexblue said:

I did read the thread dues. You write really good stuff most of the time. But then you go out of your way to try and agitate other members with troll like behavior. This is one of those times.

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I didn't go out of my way for anything, particularly to agitate other members. It's been noted in this thread, time and again, that the innocent often settle. This is particularly true when the settlements are both pecuniary and relatively tiny. Had you read the thread, you'd have seen that pointed out.

No suspension, but a fine for non-cooperation, particularly if stated as such by the league, would clearly NOT be an admission of guilt.

BradyFTW! said:

But the person noted that a willingness by the union to settle could be interpreted as Brady admitting at least some culpability, and added: “An admission of guilt is a significant move away from Brady’s previous position.”
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God, people are really stupid sometimes.

On what planet does "I'll take some token fine that amounts to .0001% of my net worth if it means I don't have to spend 10x that and a year+ in court suing the **** out of you guys" = an admission of guit?

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Yup. If anything, it is an admission of fault on the side of the NFL after hiring Ted Wells and paying him $5 million dollars to end up with this kind of verdict if something like that was indeed the outcome.

reflexblue said:

Please tell me and the viewing audience why what is so face palming bad about posting that brady accepting a deal would be admitting guilt. Or is this just another deus attempt at trolling.

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I'm an engineer not a lawyer but I have life experience.
The innocent often settle where the "cost" of settling far outweighs any risk or benefit from continuance.
Taking a fine here means nothing.

If memory serves as part of the camera placement fiasco and Kraft's capitulation including a gag order, the commissioner was to state that punishment was for camera placement not 'cheating". That sure worked out well for the Pats, thank you Bob. If I am Brady, I would want any exculpatory statement read on the NFLN and ESPN and published in a full page in the New York Time and Washington Post, and Brady is allowed without restriction to comment on the case.

Trust no one in the league offices... Gag order from camerathingy : pffft.

People will view a fine as admission of guilt, because as stated - most people have formed their opinion and aren't interested in being educated in this whole matter.

Count on the League not to abide by any agreement. Keep in mind that aside from the camera placement case, they placed a gag order on the Pats from revealing the true PSI readings.

flasox27 said:

Count on the League not to abide by any agreement. Keep in mind that aside from the camera placement case, they placed a gag order on the Pats from revealing the true PSI readings.

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True PSI readings? The ones before they were given to the refs or the ones after the refs checked them?

robertweathers said:

True PSI readings? The ones before they were given to the refs or the ones after the refs checked them?

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The ones that showed that the balls were only a fraction under 12.5 PSI at half time instead of the reported couple of pounds.

reflexblue said:

Please tell me and the viewing audience why what is so face palming bad about posting that brady accepting a deal would be admitting guilt. Or is this just another deus attempt at trolling.

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I don't think Dues is saying it would be admitting guilt.

He is saying the sheoples would think it's admitting guilt. that would be the narrative from every major media outlet on the planet.