PFT: Settlement Talks Have Taken Place

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PatsWSB47 said:

Very true
Mike Golic said the fact that the NFLPA made a settlement offer infers guilt on Brady's part. These people are so simple minded. It could never occur to them that a fine for not turning over his phone records at this point is better for everyone concerned. A year long distraction would suck for Brady, the team and the NFL*....but since the NFL* met them with silence I hope he takes them to court more than ever now. F them.

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And we all know how BB loves distraction-- though this might be that golden distraction he can use to the team's advantage.

I do NOT buy that the NFLPA proposed a huge fine in place of suspension.
That would set a precedent that would result in huge fines to players far less able to pay than TFB.

PatsWickedPissah said:

I do NOT buy that the NFLPA proposed a huge fine in place of suspension.
That would set a precedent that would result in huge fines to players far less able to pay than TFB.

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settlements do not set precedent

The Brandon Five said:

This is right on the money:

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Well, he calls for an investigation. Click the link below, send it out to how ever many people you can and maybe we can get something going. The league is a cesspool. It has been proven time and time again. If you raided the league offices and did a digital forensic investigation, what you would uncover would be shocking. Payoffs, blackmail and I'd imagine in some cases even worse. Do not think that it stops at football. Do not make that mistake

Deus Irae said:

Unbiased investigation
Objective decision on results of investigation

Neither of the above has taken place. That's why even the NFL attorneys have reportedly worried that this case will get overturned in federal court, despite the manner in which those courts try to avoid getting involved in arbitration situations. Goodell could still save his ass as any time, simply by doing what's right, and blaming the situation on the NFL's history of not worrying about the ball. This has always been a non-issue deliberately rigged to come off as a huge problem. Simply by acknowledging that without actually saying it, Goodell can set things right, and get himself off the hook at the same time.

But Rodger is a Crusader and a true believer, and that's been the problem ever since he took office.

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I agree with most of what you're saying here, but R. Stokoe doing the right thing would mean contradicting everything he has said and done from the start of this fiasco. He has said the Wells Report findings (for which $5 million was paid) are legit and he underscored that with draconian penalties.

So if I'm following you correctly, you suggest he can do the right thing and save his butt by saying something like: "Upon further thorough review, we have determined the overriding factor is that insufficient league protocols were in place governing the handling of footballs allowing discrepancies to occur for which no one should be punished. We're going to use this incident as a learning experience and follow firmer measures of control henceforth. Case dismissed."

He'd have to have quite an epiphany to throw the whole thing out. The fact he's allowed it to get this far makes me think he won't.

PatsWickedPissah said:

I do NOT buy that the NFLPA proposed a huge fine in place of suspension.
That would set a precedent that would result in huge fines to players far less able to pay than TFB.

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There's actually a mechanism that allows automatic appeal of fines that exceed, IIRC, 50% of a player's weekly salary.

I really really hope he goes for defamation. What reason does he have not to? This is the NFLPA's chance to KO Goodell. Players should have input on a new commissioner this time.

Froob said:

I really really hope he goes for defamation. What reason does he have not to? This is the NFLPA's chance to KO Goodell. Players should have input on a new commissioner this time.

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Agree with all you say except the last sentence. Ideally, the commissioner should be independent and beholden to neither side.

Tunescribe said:

Agree with all you say except the last sentence. Ideally, the commissioner should be independent and beholden to neither side.

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I mean when they hire the guy both the owners and NFLPA should work on the process together and hire a guy they can both live with. None of this crap where Kraft hires his "buddies."

Seriously the NFLPA gets seriously boned. NBAPA *****es all the time but in comparison they have a million times better deal than the NFLPA gets. It's amazing how badly the NFL players get screwed over.

Froob said:

I mean when they hire the guy both the owners and NFLPA should work on the process together and hire a guy they can both live with. None of this crap where Kraft hires his "buddies."

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Unfortunately, I suspect such a mechanism will have to wait for the next CBA; the Constitution currently gives the owners that right exclusively, and I can't see them willingly giving it away for nothing.

PatsWSB47 said:

Mike Golic said the fact that the NFLPA made a settlement offer infers guilt on Brady's part.

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Normally Golic is the smart and reasonable one on that show. I would think that if Golic did say that him or someone else on the show would have pointed out the nflpa could have said the fine would be for the non-cooperation based on not turning over his phone. That would allow brady to say he's innocent and is only being fined for something he still believes he didn't have to provide and the league could say they punished brady. But I've been saying from the beginning if Brady accepts a $1 fine or a 1 hour suspension the media will immediately say he accepted guilt and it can now be declared as fact that he admitted to cheating.

According to my sources who shall remain nameless, Roger Goodell has no timetable on accepting or declining the settlement offer.

5thRing-Hunt said:

Normally Golic is the smart and reasonable one on that show. I would think that if Golic did say that him or someone else on the show would have pointed out the nflpa could have said the fine would be for the non-cooperation based on not turning over his phone. That would allow brady to say he's innocent and is only being fined for something he still believes he didn't have to provide and the league could say they punished brady. But I've been saying from the beginning if Brady accepts a $1 fine or a 1 hour suspension the media will immediately say he accepted guilt and it can now be declared as fact that he admitted to cheating.

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That's exactly it. Merloni got it, Benz didn't. Don't turn on 98.5. He is admitting guilt by putting out the settlement offer. Also, the science is off the table at 98.5. Yup, it's all about the text messages because science can be bought.

Tunescribe said:

Agree with all you say except the last sentence. Ideally, the commissioner should be independent and beholden to neither side.

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The commissioner will always be beholden to the owners, because it's the owners who appoint him to serve their interests. What's most important, IMO, is that the NFLPA is able to get the CBA written in a way that offers players some protection against commissioner overreach. The commissioner being the sole arbiter of investigation, punishment and appeal, for example, has to be a non-starter for the PA.

BradyFTW! said:

The commissioner will always be beholden to the owners, because it's the owners who appoint him to serve their interests. What's most important, IMO, is that the NFLPA is able to get the CBA written in a way that offers players some protection against commissioner overreach. The commissioner being the sole arbiter of investigation, punishment and appeal, for example, has to be a non-starter for the PA.

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When this appeal gets overturned it basically makes Goodell and the NFL look like idiots. My guess after this the owners will be split and its only a matter of time before the biggest idiot is gone

SalemPats said:

When this appeal gets overturned it basically makes Goodell and the NFL look like idiots. My guess after this the owners will be split and its only a matter of time before the biggest idiot is gone

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I hope so, but I really dunno. If he was able to keep his job through the Ray Rice debacle, then I'm not going to believe any level of incompetence can get him fired until I see it happen.

It's funny. If the players had rejected the current CBA and went on strike for the 2011 season we all would have villainized them. But now we see how badly they got screwed over. And to think we thought Kraft was a hero in bringing the lockout to an end lol

"NFLN reports that..." ..=

shmessy said:

I find it hilarious that people are misfiring so badly on the list of owners that are pushing for Goodell to maintain his wrong stance.

Woody Johnson, people!

The only owner that counts.

The man supplies the NFL front office with personnel. He publicly tampered with another team's under contract player in December (during the season) during a press conference and walked away with all of his draft picks intact (while the team he tampered with lost their 1st and 4th for being, according to the league, completely innocent in Deflategate).

That's Mussolini in Milan circa 1938 type of power.

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Of course we know who is Chamberlain in your scenario, the Putz in charge of the Pats. How is appeasing the POS and your partners working out , gutless Bob