What's your take on Jonathan Kraft?

Tunescribe · Jul 22, 2015

DarrylS said:
Mr. Kraft has $226.4 million dollars in NFL revenue sharing as an incentive to get along.. not that what he did is right, but business men do business first..

Really. So it's commonly held belief among businessmen that truth/honor/integrity/justice are annoying abstractions to be ignored when inconvenient and that's acceptable as "how things get done." What a soulless way to live.

Kontradiction · Jul 22, 2015

Tunescribe said:
Really. So it's commonly held belief among businessmen that truth/honor/integrity/justice are annoying abstractions to be ignored when inconvenient and that's acceptable as "how things get done." What a soulless way to live.

When I went to college in Florida, this was not something I learned.

DarrylS · Jul 22, 2015

Tunescribe said:
Really. So it's commonly held belief among businessmen that truth/honor/integrity/justice are annoying abstractions to be ignored when inconvenient and that's acceptable as "how things get done." What a soulless way to live.

It is not my soul, it is Kraft's.. do not like it, but I understand it.

Cannot continue to denigrate Kraft or his actions, he did what he did.. and have to move on. There are only so many ways you can bash him.

OhExaulted1 · Jul 22, 2015

KontradictioN said:
Who has put more money in your pocket over the last decade plus? The quarterback that's a victim of a witch hunt that you easily could have fought (at the very least through the media) or the other 31?

Easily.

Through a biased media of sharks smelling blood in the water and circiling like their on the brink of starvation.

No problem.

AzPatsFan · Jul 22, 2015

moosekill said:
OH Boohoo, Mr. Kraft didn't decide to spend millions of dollars fighting a legal battle against a corporation, give or take, he owns 1/32 of. A fight he knows he can't win because of the way that entity is set up, and if he does go that route he will alienate his other 31+- partners in his business. A business that is one of the most profitable businesses in the world right now. He will have to continue working with those other 31 owners he has just alieneted on a daily basis, because he isn't planning on selling the Patriots. I am sure all of the good will he would gain by suing himself, along with his partners would go along way towards helping him with all of the other issues that come up on a regular basis.

Now we have a bunch of internet tough guys calling him names and whining and complaining because their panties are all in a bunch. Grow up, if you are that upset go route for the Jets, if you really care that is the only thing that has any shot at all of making a difference. Sitting around *****ing is for loosers.

Amen amen!!

Rob0729 · Jul 22, 2015

Here is the excerpt from Curly Haired Boyfriend's column on Jonathan Kraft:

I can’t prove this, but my suspicion is that the Patriots are where they are in this Deflategate mess because of Jonathan Kraft — the power behind the throne in Foxborough. Kraft the younger’s personality — smart, defiant, angry — is totally consistent with the Patriots’ response to the league’s investigation of deflated footballs. Who else would urge Bob Kraft to demand an apology when arriving at the Super Bowl? Who else would commission The Wells Report in Context? Who else would plant stories and provide leaks to the Patriots’ formidable media cartel? Who else would tell the league to take a flying leap off the Gillette Lighthouse? J. Kraft’s fingerprints are all over this thing and it’s the reason the entire mess has gotten so out of hand. Just a theory. And still we wait.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-their-tune/1TmnJ6XM0Wq97kfSNrjWCL/story.html

OhExaulted1 · Jul 22, 2015

Tunescribe said:
Summon a higher authority for assistance in showing them the error of their ways.

"Pray" is what I think you meant to say. I guess there's always that.

Kontradiction · Jul 22, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
Easily. Through a biased media of sharks smelling blood in the water and circiling like their on the brink of starvation.

No problem.

Biased media? You mean like Mike Florio? Peter King? Plenty of the media that posters have accused of attacking the Patriots in the past has stood up for them on this issue. You're backtracking now. Kraft did what he did because he's spineless and didn't want to rock the boat or upset the billionaire boys club... not because the fight was unwinnable.

AzPatsFan · Jul 22, 2015

The Gr8est said:
Well some of us who are upset are looking at giving up on the NFL* entirely, not considering following another team.

This issues many of us have with how the Pats have handled their defense, or lack there of, are suggestive of problems with the integrity of the league as a whole.

Switching teams doesn't get to the heart of the issue.[/QUOTE

]So Do It Already !!!!!!

Deus Irae · Jul 22, 2015

DarrylS said:
Mr. Kraft has $226.4 million dollars in NFL revenue sharing as an incentive to get along.. not that what he did is right, but business men do business first..

Robert is a first generation type of money maker. They tend to be obsessed by the wealth, and driven by the need to acquire ever more, to the exclusion of almost everything else. Jonathan may not have his father's obsessive quality, and he may actually put principles above pocketbook.

That's the hope, until it's proven false.

MitchKumstein · Jul 22, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Here is the excerpt from Curly Haired Boyfriend's column on Jonathan Kraft:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-their-tune/1TmnJ6XM0Wq97kfSNrjWCL/story.html

Even if Jonathan was behind Spineless Bob's demand for an apology and the Wells Report Context, how does that make him responsible for the whole deflategate fiasco? The fiasco started when the Colts whined about footballs, Kensil tried to set up a sting, and the NYFL leaked bogus information to the press.

Shank doesn't make any sense

Tunescribe · Jul 22, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
"Pray" is what I think you meant to say. I guess there's always that.

Because it involves the threat of immediate physical harm, your analogy doesn't quite apply.

Joker · Jul 22, 2015

Kensil = 5000 wealthy RayRay 19's given free rein to run amok within the NFL...a true horror story.

OhExaulted1 · Jul 22, 2015

Tunescribe said:
Because it involves the threat of immediate physical harm, your analogy doesn't quite apply.

No, not a perfect analogy, but the point is there.

I still have Krafts back even after all this BS blows over. He's been the best owner in any NE sports teams history and I'm not about to knife him the back now.

When the smoke clears and the battle is over, I'll be firmly standing behind Krafts back. For those of you who wish to disparage him, don't include me. Your comments and a vicious, slanderous headline driven media won't dissuade me.

I'm in Krafts corner.

PatsWickedPissah · Jul 22, 2015

Now we know Kraft's babe's Patsfans name

Captain Cliche · Jul 22, 2015

What I seriously don't understand is how Goodell still has a job.

He runs a chickenshit office filled with ex Jets losers and union rat turncoats. They make habitual, amateurish blunders. He straight out lies...even under oath. He's an embarrassment to the owners and the organization....yet he persists. This whole situation has completely spiraled out of control and he is the engineer of this runaway train. The commissioner is supposed to put out fires, not light them.

There has to be some back room positioning to ****can this idiot without losing face and restructure the whole system. I mean, come on....the owners are billionaires...they're supposed to be sharp people...how long are they going to put up with this clown.

moosekill · Jul 22, 2015

Captain Cliche said:
What I seriously don't understand is how Goodell still has a job.

He runs a chickenshit office filled with ex Jets losers and union rat turncoats. They make habitual, amateurish blunders. He straight out lies...even under oath. He's an embarrassment to the owners and the organization....yet he persists. This whole situation has completely spiraled out of control and he is the engineer of this runaway train. The commissioner is supposed to put out fires, not light them.

There has to be some back room positioning to ****can this idiot without losing face and restructure the whole system. I mean, come on....the owners are billionaires...they're supposed to be sharp people...how long are they going to put up with this clown.

He has a job because the NFL makes the owners huge money. They love what they are doing, make loads of cash, and are watching their investments shoot upwards. Pretty easy to figure out. You have to get a majority of the owners to agree to get rid of him, and most seem happy.

Tunescribe · Jul 22, 2015

DarrylS said:
It is not my soul, it is Kraft's.. do not like it, but I understand it.

Cannot continue to denigrate Kraft or his actions, he did what he did.. and have to move on. There are only so many ways you can bash him.

No, the end chapter here is far from being written. Just because he capitulated doesn't mean WE simply must accept it and "move on." At the very, very least, Kraft needs to learn firsthand from the fan base that his actions surrounding the Framegate fiasco are unacceptable.

Rob0729 · Jul 22, 2015

moosekill said:
He has a job because the NFL makes the owners huge money. They love what they are doing, make loads of cash, and are watching their investments shoot upwards. Pretty easy to figure out. You have to get a majority of the owners to agree to get rid of him, and most seem happy.

The thing is pretty much anyone in that position could make a load of money for the NFL owners.

Tunescribe · Jul 22, 2015

Rob0729 said:
The thing is pretty much anyone in that position could make a load of money for the NFL owners.

That's an excellent point. Who's to say that someone with integrity and a personality the public could warm up to wouldn't make the owners even MORE money? It's not like R. Stokoe Goodell is some kind of marketing genius.

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