NBC's King AND Florio to Goodell: Postpone All Framegate Penalties to 2016

Fencer said:

I think the chance of the league doing the right thing is very low -- single-digit percentages. But if they do, then it could be the really right thing, along the lines:

"Serious doubts have been raised as to whether the scientific analysis we invested in was correct. Fortunately, there's a way to address that issue -- measure and test actual footballs at actual games. This is a good idea anyway, as it could lead to a general improvement of our competitive rules, which is of course something we put as the highest priority at all times.

Thus, with the consent of Tom Brady and the NFLPA, we are deferring a decision on his appeal until more evidence is gathered, and deferring his penalties accordingly.

There is no news today about the Patriots' team penalties, nor will we comment about them until our evidence is collected."

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Then they would just delay the results of their findings until the day after the draft.

Kjmass1 said:

Then they would just delay the results of their findings until the day after the draft.

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Goodell doesn't want to stealth-screw the Patriots. When he screws the Patriots, he damn well wants the public acclaim that comes with that.

He WOULD like to defame the Patriots, stealthily or otherwise, to relieve the pressure on him for his injustice and incompetence. But I don't see how what you're suggesting fits with that.

Kjmass1 said:

Then they would just delay the results of their findings until the day after the draft.

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Or, if the Pats are in it, the day before the Super Bowl. Via leak.

Make the punishment, sue the league for every freaking thing until the owners scream uncle and fire Goodell, period.

"It takes a leader" could be something Florio and King cooked up to give Goodell an out and help him save face.

Lavictoire said:

"It takes a leader" could be something Florio and King cooked up to give Goodell an out and help him save face.

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Exactly. It is all about public pressure.

There shouldn't be punishment at all because they did no wrong, but Goodell and his cronies are too big of ****ies to actually test all footballs in the winter and postpone team punishments until after this season.

If Goodell is looking for an out, this would be it. He appears fair. He isn't overturning any penalties -- he's just gathering more information. He doesn't have to throw anybody under the bus.

For all practical purposes, next year he'd have data that showed the Patriots footballs were exactly where they should be.

But, as they saying goes, Goodell will never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

So the idea is to put the deflategate ruling on hold, measure every ball for every game of the 2015 season (pregame, mid game, post game), record them in a spread sheet/graph to benchmark accurately the variances in pressure.
From an abstract view I like the idea. While not perfect it is the kind of thing that makes the statement that fairness and the betterment of the game are singularly important. (side note: it could also quantify how QBs perform at the various football pressure levels including sub categories of more than 10 yard throws, 20 yard throws etc etc).
With that said, the idea would require a fair and unbiased implementation and process. Does anyone, even Patriot haters who think Brady was the guy behind the grassy knoll, believe Goodell and his merry band of lops will let the process of measurements/recordings play out scientifically and with accuracy of the utmost importance? Or do you, me, most everyone believe the NFL's version of SPECTRE will shape, cajole, manipulate, do everything they can to make sure the measuring/recording process results in what they want the results to conclude (certainly that Brady is even more certain to be guilty)? Since it is obvious to everyone except Borges and the rest of the insular circle of click bait rubes that the NFL can't be trusted to do anything fairly, what happens after they have manufactured the results of the football measuring? I'll bet the mortgage payment the NFL will rev up the PR machine to change rules, change football handling, even change manufacturing process/ingredients in footballs in order to show they are In Charge! of doing everything for the "integrity of the game" and these changes are needed. Succinctly put. it will show Brady is guilty and Goodell must exert more power to show nothing can stand in the way of his righteous charge.

No way! No way do I trust Goodell and his lot to do/measure anything fairly and I certainly don't trust them to not warp the game itself even more just to play PR. Forget it! Goodell can just release whatever silly nonsense he has and let's get onto whatever the next step of the appeal is. Let's get it to where it needs to be as quickly as possible; a venue that the NFL has no power or influence over, one that has the power to smack the NFL in the mouth if the evidence and law justifies it.

TheBostonStraggler said:

So the idea is to put the deflategate ruling on hold, measure every ball for every game of the 2015 season (pregame, mid game, post game), record them in a spread sheet/graph to benchmark accurately the variances in pressure.
From an abstract view I like the idea. While not perfect it is the kind of thing that makes the statement that fairness and the betterment of the game are singularly important. (side note: it could also quantify how QBs perform at the various football pressure levels including sub categories of more than 10 yard throws, 20 yard throws etc etc).
With that said, the idea would require a fair and unbiased implementation and process. Does anyone, even Patriot haters who think Brady was the guy behind the grassy knoll, believe Goodell and his merry band of lops will let the process of measurements/recordings play out scientifically and with accuracy of the utmost importance? Or do you, me, most everyone believe the NFL's version of SPECTRE will shape, cajole, manipulate, do everything they can to make sure the measuring/recording process results in what they want the results to conclude (certainly that Brady is even more certain to be guilty)? Since it is obvious to everyone except Borges and the rest of the insular circle of click bait rubes that the NFL can't be trusted to do anything fairly, what happens after they have manufactured the results of the football measuring? I'll bet the mortgage payment the NFL will rev up the PR machine to change rules, change football handling, even change manufacturing process/ingredients in footballs in order to show they are In Charge! of doing everything for the "integrity of the game" and these changes are needed. Succinctly put. it will show Brady is guilty and Goodell must exert more power to show nothing can stand in the way of his righteous charge.

No way! No way do I trust Goodell and his lot to do/measure anything fairly and I certainly don't trust them to not warp the game itself even more just to play PR. Forget it! Goodell can just release whatever silly nonsense he has and let's get onto whatever the next step of the appeal is. Let's get it to where it needs to be as quickly as possible; a venue that the NFL has no power or influence over, one that has the power to smack the NFL in the mouth if the evidence and law justifies it.

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I enjoyed reading your comments on this matter. Unfortunately, it seems as though this will continue to drag out into the fall/winter. A bit unrelated to your specific thoughts, but it should be pointed out that both parties will have the opportunity to appeal whatever court ruling would be handed down (if we look ahead, as we're all expecting). In other words, even the next step may not provide ultimate resolution.

Was it the Jonathan Vilma case where Goodell appealed the court's decision? That whole mess makes it difficult to try and get any kind of read on where things may go, in terms of Brady's case. If I recall correctly, he initially handed down the penalty, then Vilma appealed to the NFL and lost. Vilma then took it to court, where the court not only granted him the request for the temporary stay, but eventually ruled in his favor. Goodell appealed the ruling (I believe), and somehow the case made it to a third party arbitrator, although I'm unsure how it got there. As we know, of course, once Tagliabue heard the case, he ruled in Vilma's favor. I believe that occurred in the month of December, with Vilma requesting the court's help right around the same current timeframe as Brady would, aka the end of the summer.

Talk about a cluster of a situation!

supafly said:

I enjoyed reading your comments on this matter. Unfortunately, it seems as though this will continue to drag out into the fall/winter. A bit unrelated to your specific thoughts, but it should be pointed out that both parties will have the opportunity to appeal whatever court ruling would be handed down (if we look ahead, as we're all expecting). In other words, even the next step may not provide ultimate resolution.

Was it the Jonathan Vilma case where Goodell appealed the court's decision? That whole mess makes it difficult to try and get any kind of read on where things may go, in terms of Brady's case. If I recall correctly, he initially handed down the penalty, then Vilma appealed to the NFL and lost. Vilma then took it to court, where the court not only granted him the request for the temporary stay, but eventually ruled in his favor. Goodell appealed the ruling (I believe), and somehow the case made it to a third party arbitrator, although I'm unsure how it got there. As we know, of course, once Tagliabue heard the case, he ruled in Vilma's favor. I believe that occurred in the month of December, with Vilma requesting the court's help right around the same current timeframe as Brady would, aka the end of the summer.

Talk about a cluster of a situation!

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Good job on clarifying what a Cluster F this is Sup .

On Goodell's theoretical appeal, I feel certain he will appeal any loss. So you're spot on this looks to be a multiyear process. However, I am actually ok with any appeal including losing it if it means Brady won the initial ruling. IMHO that win, even if it is overturned on a technicality/point of contract law, is where this fiasco becomes nothing but a lot of hot air. No it won't cause some sort of cathartic 'OMG! Brady was railroaded and the NFL is a bunch of slimebags'. That just isn't how media and the unwashed public operate. Yet, I suspect, a single court calling out Goodell and staff for their actions and ruling that the whole thing was out of line will mean the derogatory 'stuff' directed at Brady will disappear. Brady doesn't deserve it, never deserved it, and the quiet suggestions that he 'cheated' no longer being put forth (the impulse to do so by the sports media cesspool being erased) is the goal I want to see achieved. Any added bonuses beyond that, Goodell getting publicly smacked down, getting back any of the punishment, I will look at as the unexpected cherry on top.

While the suggestion to do a longitudinal scientific study for the next year makes perfect sense, it will not fly as in the minds of many the money has been spent and decisions have been made..

King and Florio have little or no impact on King Roger as he has donned the hang man's hood and is waiting for the next slow news day or the next day when an NFL star f...s up so he can look like some badazz enforcer protecting the "shield"....

BTW it is 9 days to TC and still no decision has been made by Roger..

The Gr8est said:

No they won't. As long as the league uses a consistent set of calibrated gages, with teams setting their balls, pre-game within the proscribed 12.5-13.5 psi,with varying conditions as the game start times, seasons, and weather change, the readings will be all over the place.

Demonstrating not only that the NFL* leaders are fools, but also that expecting balls to always be in that range is a fool's errand.

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Yes, balls will be out of the range, but the Pats balls will be out of range by .4 more than they "should" be, meaning that they obviously cheated.

KontradictioN said:

The NFL already backed up the Brinks truck for Wells. What King and Florio are suggesting just simply ain't gon' happen.

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Agreed, but it's still good to see them putting the spotlight on him as he prepare to put the finishing touch on this farce.

Fencer said:

I think the chance of the league doing the right thing is very low -- single-digit percentages. But if they do, then it could be the really right thing, along the lines:

"Serious doubts have been raised as to whether the scientific analysis we invested in was correct. Fortunately, there's a way to address that issue -- measure and test actual footballs at actual games. This is a good idea anyway, as it could lead to a general improvement of our competitive rules, which is of course something we put as the highest priority at all times.

Thus, with the consent of Tom Brady and the NFLPA, we are deferring a decision on his appeal until more evidence is gathered, and deferring his penalties accordingly.

There is no news today about the Patriots' team penalties, nor will we comment about them until our evidence is collected."

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Or hecould simply come out
and say," when I was a child my nanny used to whack me on the pee pee when she caught Timmy and I with our tallywhackers in each others hands. Ooooh the delight we encountered when she would spank our hineys with goldenrod and make us run gloriously naked back to the gazebo where we would then eat our finger sandwiches while the maids scrubbed us and readied us for an early bed so the senator could entertain the governor and his many friends. Oh how I long for those simple summer days in the Hamptons. "

Or something like that.

Ivan said:

Or hecould simply come out
and say," when I was a child my nanny used to whack me on the pee pee when she caught Timmy and I with our tallywhackers in each others hands. Ooooh the delight we encountered when she would spank our hineys with goldenrod and make us run gloriously naked back to the gazebo where we would then eat our finger sandwiches while the maids scrubbed us and readied us for an early bed so the senator could entertain the governor and his many friends. Oh how I long for those simple summer days in the Hamptons. "

Or something like that.

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Joker, quit hacking Ivan's account.

The Brandon Five said:

Not a chance in heck.

Exhibit A:

(Shocker /s) No Changes to Pre-Game Ball Inspections in '15

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The problems for Goodell would begin when the first real cold game data began to filter through. Fans that haven't taken the time to completely understand the effects of weather on a football would be shocked by measurements of 2,3 and even 4 psi deflation during games.

Goodell would have to try to explain why he felt the Pats footballs were 0.3 psi more deflated than what the NFL expected but with numbers such as 3 and 4 psi out out of regulation being reported he would begin to lose a segment of the blind support he has received thus far.

I don't see how he would do that unless the NFL owners as a whole pushed for that. Which if they did, would only signify to me that Roger and his cronies have become the scapegoats.


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This doesn't really make any sense to me. What good does collecting more data do when all the data they've collected so far should be considered scientifically invalid? We've got no starting point, a supposed documentation error on the Colts' balls at halftime, and incredibly inconsistent sample sizes. Collecting new data doesn't help when you have no valid old data to compare it to.

That said, I guess it'd be better than applying all the penalties immediately.

This will be great. Then the Pats and Brady can have this hanging over their heads all year.

You can do all sorts of science in labs and whatever, however cannot replicate what happens on the field; when did they make it to the playing field, were there changes in the weather or atmospheric pressure, were they covered or uncovered, what happened during halftime, were they measured and documented prior to leaving the locker room, how many downs were they used etc..

IMO they should do a longitudinal study of the pressure of footballs for a year to determine what changes occur.. I think they would be surprised at the results.