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MassPats38 -- are you an attorney?

I'm curious about a few things:

- With the granting of final arbitration authority to the commissioner, is there any implied fiduciary responsibility or can they do anything they want?
- Does the "law of the shop" figure into this at all? Again, can the arbitrator just do anything they want?
- Are there other actions (defamation suits or otherwise) that could force the NFL to disclose how this all started, who did what and whether they prejudged the situation?

Even if you're right, MP38, I don't think this has to be a legal solution. This is public opinion, and even if the NFL successfully quashed any legal action, this is not going away.

I hope Roger realizes that even when he's 80 years old, he could come to Foxboro for a game, and he would still be booed!

Yes, as are a few others here. My professed arbitration law experience was long ago when I was working for a federal judge up north. We handled every arbitration case filed nationally and internationally for a certain chain restaurant (as well as others arising in other contexts rather than venue designations).

Arbitration cases are frequently boring because they turn on compliance with contracts. The court interprets the contracts, and defines gives the scope of claims subject to the contract. The last entry on the docket in Louisiana for the defamation claim was exactly what you'd expect (with one State theory added in for dismissing the case). Blown up completely as within the scope of arbitration and then killed on other theories.

Contracts are interpreted using "usage of trade" (industry meanings). Goody can only do what the parties agreed to do. If something is undefined, the parties may well argue acceptable norms in the particular industry in order to fill in the blanks.

Procedures must be those defined by the agreement. The court will interpret the process, and then ascertain if the process was followed (that appears to be a big issue here). It would appear odd to describe an appeal if the decision-maker appealed is the same person. Was that the mutual intention of the parties? If interpreted as 'yes', then no problem. If 'no', then big problem.

I agree it does not have to be a legal solution. The question is does Goody have the sack to back out of his entrenched position, to the dismay of 31 other teams. Would Brady simply accept his punishment and move on? In terms of finding a common ground to settle and kill all issues, there seems to be a fairly wide gap to bridge and avoid the outcome.

In the end, I hate seeing kangaroo courts so I hope Brady sticks to his guns. My fear is he is a team player who loves to win, and may ultimately compromise for the good of the Pats. I hope that is not the case.
 
I still don't understand why Felger and Mazz exist. Why does anyone watch this crap?
I haven't watched them in months. I don't have to. Just give me the topic they talked about and I'll give you a pretty good guess of what they said about it. Most people here could probably do the same thing.
 
I'm still waiting to see some sign of the "significant influence" Kraft has over Goodell. Far as I can tell Kraft keeps kissing his ass while Goodell keeps sh*tting on him and the team.

Ever since Myra passed away ol' Krafty has been experimenting, first engaging in a daddy/sub relationship, then bending over...now participating in a Cleveland steamer...:eek:
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/08/olbermann-to-exit-espn-again/

“Keith is a tremendous talent who has consistently done timely, entertaining and thought-provoking work since returning to ESPN,” said ESPN in a statement issued to the Hollywood Reporter. “While the show’s content was distinctive and extremely high quality, we ultimately made a business decision to move in another direction"...

I have never read anything that successfully contradicts itself more so then those statements. If I just came here from another planet and never heard of Olbermann or ESPN and read that...I would go back home. "Tremendous Talent", "Consistently", "Thought-Provoking", "Distinctive and Extremely High Quality"...and then they say they are going to "move in another direction".

"The move comes amid reports that ESPN wanted Olbermann to remove commentary from his one-hour weekday show — along with reports that ESPN believes a subpar Monday Night Football schedule resulted from the league’s displeasure with criticism of Commissioner Roger Goodell..."

Once again Goodell and the 32 are over-stepping their bounds. Perhaps it is a fight that cant be won.
 
I'm still waiting to see some sign of the "significant influence" Kraft has over Goodell. Far as I can tell Kraft keeps kissing his ass while Goodell keeps sh*tting on him and the team.
I think you are forgetting Vincent shoving the red hot poker up Kraft's rear while he is kissing Goodell's ass. I think the really influential members of the fraternity like Rooney and Mara are cheering on the festivities.
 
MP38,

In your dealings with negotiated arbitration between labor and management, have there been cases of bad faith? We don't know for sure who in the NFL office leaked false and prejudicial information, but we do know the repeated that false information to the Patriots, did not correct it and refused to let the Patriots correct it. I don't think anyone could rule the NFLPA agreed to that.

My other legal comment (and this is as a non-lawyer) is watch out for the "Judge Ito" system. Some court might want to take it because it makes them an instance celebrity. In the end, the NFL might still win, but it's more bad publicity.
 
Ever since Myra passed away ol' Krafty has been experimenting, first engaging in a daddy/sub relationship, then bending over...now participating in a Cleveland steamer...:eek:
OK. I'll admit that I had to go to the Urban Dictionary for the definition of a Cleveland Steamer...wish I hadn't.
 
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Procedures must be those defined by the agreement. The court will interpret the process, and then ascertain if the process was followed (that appears to be a big issue here). It would appear odd to describe an appeal if the decision-maker appealed is the same person. Was that the mutual intention of the parties? If interpreted as 'yes', then no problem. If 'no', then big problem.

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Thanks for this and other comments. I'm not a Lawyer and admit that I'm dismayed by the certainty displayed by many out here about the merits of a Brady lawsuit without knowing the first thing about how it will be viewed by a court.

My layman's view has now become that I wouldn't be surprised if, following the inevitable rejection of the core of Brady's appeal (exoneration on the "Deflation-complicity" charge) by Goodell, a judge looked at this mess and refused even to hear it because the League had followed the Appeal procedures as agreed by a passive NFLPA and if the Judge then told the NFL and the NFLPA that it had to clean up its own house and stop bothering the courts.

That leads to a question: what are the sorts of things a court would consider to rule as to whether the Appeals process, as implemented in this case, was consistent with the "mutual intention of the parties?" It's my understanding that the CBA specifically allows the Commissioner to hear this appeal, so how could his doing so be construed as going against the intention of the parties in drafting the Agreement?

Thanks. Nice to hear from someone who actually knows what s/he is talking about, unlike myself and many others.
 
That leads to a question: what are the sorts of things a court would consider to rule as to whether the Appeals process, as implemented in this case, was consistent with the "mutual intention of the parties?" It's my understanding that the CBA specifically allows the Commissioner to hear this appeal, so how could his doing so be construed as going against the intention of the parties in drafting the Agreement?
No law skills here, but I'll take a stab at it.

The commissioner does have the right to hear appeals, but it wouldn't be part of the court system for the presiding judge over the first case to be the appeals judge.

As the CBA says the commissioner is the only one who can hand down the punishment for what type they filed Brady's under, it would stand to reason that an appeal would have to go through an arbitrator. That's why they tried to sneak Vincent through as the one who handed the punishment to Brady. Later the NFL* had to backtrack on that, a bit, when confronted with the obvious response.
 
No law skills here, but I'll take a stab at it.

The commissioner does have the right to hear appeals, but it wouldn't be part of the court system for the presiding judge over the first case to be the appeals judge.

As the CBA says the commissioner is the only one who can hand down the punishment for what type they filed Brady's under, it would stand to reason that an appeal would have to go through an arbitrator. That's why they tried to sneak Vincent through as the one who handed the punishment to Brady. Later the NFL* had to backtrack on that, a bit, when confronted with the obvious response.
I'm still not sure, but thanks. What you or I might think would "stand to reason" is not always the same as what a court will find. That's why there are Case Law, Precedent and $1,000 an hour Lawyers. Thanks again.
 
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Enjoy it while you can, Commish.

Eventually, after many many years of being on top, arrogance and spreading itself too thin (along with corruption) the roman Empire fell. For the moment, to an outsider, it doesn't seem like the NFL can be stopped. But the same crap that finished Rome will finish the league.
 
Yeah, I'm not expecting Christmas in July. Maybe a small reduction in the suspension, but no exoneration. I will gladly be proven wrong about that, but I think he's assessed Brady's likelihood of prevailing in court as low enough to be worth the risk of sticking it to him. Plus he would effectively be voting "No Confidence" in Kensil, Vincent and Wells. Not gonna happen in this universe.
 
I'm still not sure, but thanks. What you or I might think would "stand to reason" is not always the same as what a court will find. That's why there are Case Law, Precedent and $1,000 an hour Lawyers. Thanks again.

As silly as it sounds at times, contractual interpretations often turn on the difference between 'shall' and 'may' as used in agreements. Once an ambiguity, or logical inconsistency, is identified, the discussion turns to intended meaning, which means the meaning as judged from the agreement itself (both parties could say after the fact that the interpretation was not intended, and that is typically irrelevant given the way agreements are drafted to exclude such evidence).

Courts frequently use tools like "interpret ambiguities against the drafter of the agreement" and "view the contract as a whole" in order to give clauses reasonable meaning and fulfill the expectation of the parties in entering into the agreement.

I am not looking at the CBA now, but if memory serves the language was "the Commissioner may". Given the purpose of an appeal (the general concept), a direct appeal to the same individual deciding the case after a full and fair hearing would appear to make the appeal language a nullity (you read out the clause, because it becomes nonsense in that context). Does 'may' impose conditions on exercise of that authority? Is the authority intended to stand as an endorsement on the decision of an independent tribunal/reviewer? Realize that small exercise applies to every noun and every verb in the CBA, so attorneys with far more time than I have will spend countless hours battling over intended meanings.

The best thing from my cursory review would to interpret the CBA as sanctioning hearing and review by independent parties and force an appeal before an independent tribunal (like the prior commissioner), which would likely end in a similar way to the sanctions against the Saints. Very procedural (not a finding of "the evidence relied upon is garbage"), but very helpful to Brady.
 
M38, wouldn't this come down to what is fair and reasonable? For arguments sake let's say TBs guilty, 4 games is not in line with past penalties. Also wouldn't there have to be more proof for any punishment?
 
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