Happy Fourth of July!

4 SB ring on the 4th of July, happy patriots days!

Seacoast Fan said:

I hope that attached article to the OP was tongue in cheek and not meant to be taken seriously.

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That article is ridiculous.

Nikolai said:

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That picture ... WTF?

Happy 4th! Since I'm on the West Coast, I'm just curious if any of you celebrate the 4th out on the Cape? I don't know why, but I have this image of it being a great place to be on the 4th (been out there in the winter, which I loved)

Tunescribe said:

That picture ... WTF?

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My NCOIC has a bunch of art from this guy hanging in his office. I like it. It's kind of an "America **** yeah" vibe...

Nikolai said:

My NCOIC has a bunch of art from this guy hanging in his office. I like it. It's kind of an "America **** yeah" vibe...

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I'm not sure what an NCOIC is (non-commissioned officer in charge?). I get your drift about the "vibe," but the picture really makes no sense. Did a zoo ship from the future capsize somewhere letting the exhibits free? And by the looks of things, the General (who actually was right-handed) has more immediate danger around him than pausing to stab a tiger; same for the tiger vs. George. But speaking as one partial to animals, the artist might've been wiser portraying a giant squid.

Tunescribe said:

I'm not sure what an NCOIC is (non-commissioned officer in charge?). I get your drift about the "vibe," but the picture really makes no sense. Did a zoo ship from the future capsize somewhere letting the exhibits free? And by the looks of things, the General (who actually was right-handed) has more immediate danger around him than pausing to stab a tiger; same for the tiger vs. George. But speaking as one partial to animals, the artist might've been wiser portraying a giant squid.

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Heh, that's the point; the absurdity of it all. "George Washington is so great, he can battle a giant tiger in the middle of a raging ocean, left-handed, on a sinking boat"

You're right about NCOIC, btw

I am from Melrose. I love the history of the area - Concord / Lexington / Bunker Hill. The attached is meant for Humor!

Nikolai said:

My NCOIC has a bunch of art from this guy hanging in his office. I like it. It's kind of an "America **** yeah" vibe...

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It kind of has a "Life of Pi meets Washington Crossing the Delaware" vibe too.

My guess is the tiger's name is Richard Parker.

Tunescribe said:

That article is ridiculous.

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Tune is it historically inaccurate? Don't get me wrong, I love the country we've ended up with. But now that it's the fifth... I'd seriously love some hard facts to the contrary, because unless the history in the article is wrong, it makes a pretty decent case.

(On the other hand... Murka!)

PatsFanInVa said:

Tune is it historically inaccurate? Don't get me wrong, I love the country we've ended up with. But now that it's the fifth... I'd seriously love some hard facts to the contrary, because unless the history in the article is wrong, it makes a pretty decent case.

(On the other hand... Murka!)

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It's all conjecture. And for one thing, he doesn't take into account that if the Brits "respected boundaries" as he suggests, the rest of the continent probably would've been carved up into additional countries by Spain/Mexico and France, posing the eventuality of territorial wars. Once Europe started setting foot here, the Indians were goners one way or the other. An earlier end to the slavery issue is a wild guess. The only virtual certainty would be no NFL.

I hope you all had a great day and weekend. The 4th is such a fun time.

Tunescribe said:

It's all conjecture. And for one thing, he doesn't take into account that if the Brits "respected boundaries" as he suggests, the rest of the continent probably would've been carved up into additional countries by Spain/Mexico and France, posing the eventuality of territorial wars. Once Europe started setting foot here, the Indians were goners one way or the other. An earlier end to the slavery issue is a wild guess. The only virtual certainty would be no NFL.

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Even if there were an NFL* there would be no NE Patriots. Fair enough.

Counterfactuals do put one in mind of Avalon Hill games where WWI is breaking out and Mexico sides with Germany to get back Texas (etc.)

But reading the reasoning in the linked article puts another spin on the "confederate flag" issues elsewhere.

Whereas I am bitter that the southern states essentially fought a war for their "right" to keep slaves, it makes a certain amount of sense if they believed that is also why they fought against England. It puts an interesting new spin on their feeling of being betrayed, if the revolution was (for the Southern colonies) simply a means to an ends, that of perpetuating slavery.

I do think the Virginians (especially Jefferson) had at least ambivalent feelings about slavery, and Virginia was really the state that "counted" in the South. I put them in the column of "really did want this all-men-created-equal" concept... even if eventually that meant all men, or worse yet, all people. IOW, I don't think the Virginians (probably) thought of "liberty" as meaning the right to hold slaves.

But when you get to the people whose great grandchildren wrote S.C.'s declaration of immediate causes for secession, it makes you think - to them, if an enormous part of their sympathies in leaving Britain were simply that it's better for slaveholders... suddenly their secession from the United States makes a great deal of sense; the abolition movement in their minds would constitute a betrayal.

The new piece here is the suggestion that perpetuating slavery in the American South might have been the whole point of the revolution from the point of view of a landholder in a southern state.

PS, the Indians being "goners" seems different south of the border. Whatever the individual cases of cruelty were like under the Spanish and Portuguese, somehow the lineages seem to have mixed. Compare "Whites" in north America, and people from Spain and Portugal in the Iberian peninsula to today's population from Mexico south - the latter populations seem to have intermarried with the native Americans, not wiped them out.

Tunescribe said:

It's all conjecture. And for one thing, he doesn't take into account that if the Brits "respected boundaries" as he suggests, the rest of the continent probably would've been carved up into additional countries by Spain/Mexico and France, posing the eventuality of territorial wars. Once Europe started setting foot here, the Indians were goners one way or the other. An earlier end to the slavery issue is a wild guess. The only virtual certainty would be no NFL.

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Not to mention:
The Brits not just were ruled by white males but those born into the aristocracy. At least in this country a man born in humble circumstances could rise to the top.
And, tell Ghandi about how the Brits were so opposed to slavery.
I could go on but what eould be the point.

In Maine we have 2 Independence Days. July 4th, and March 15th when we gained our freedom from Mass in 1820. We were never infected with the bad driving habits because we got out early.

Tunescribe said:

That picture ... WTF?

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A representation of the 2014 Bengals game, perhaps?

PATSNUTme said:

In Maine we have 2 Independence Days. July 4th, and March 15th when we gained our freedom from Mass in 1820. We were never infected with the bad driving habits because we got out early.

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You didn't gain your independence, Mass just ditched ya...

PatsFanInVa said:

It kind of has a "Life of Pie meets Washington Crossing the Delaware" vibe too.

My guess is the tiger's name is Richard Parker.

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The book/movie is Life of Pi (π).

Life of Pie is Rex Ryan's childhood.

ctpatsfan77 said:

The book/movie is Life of Pi (π).

Life of Pie is Rex Ryan's childhood.

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LMAO I am going back to correct that now. TU for the heads up