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Revis made our Def complete and for others to play a major role in. We were missing this last few years and cost us a couple of SBs. Guess our DBs are back to square one but so is Revis on Jets.

How do you know that? No one knows what we have at DB until at least about halfway through the season.
 
How do you know that? No one knows what we have at DB until at least about halfway through the season.

I'm goin by what we have now. I know it can/will change nothing even started yet I'm just DONE with our DBs in recent yrs when Brady had to put up 35-40pts just so other teams wouldn't out score us holding leads.
 
I'm goin by what we have now. I know it can/will change nothing even started yet I'm just DONE with our DBs in recent yrs when Brady had to put up 35-40pts just so other teams wouldn't out score us holding leads.

You realize the reason we won last season was our offense right? We averaged 36 PPG in the postseason. We didn't need an elite defense.
 
Revis plays the hardest position in the league and he does it the hardest way. Straight-up man to man against the best receiver with little help. Anyone picking the coddled brat on the Seahawks over Revis is not paying attention.
I really don't know what you are talking about. Revis didn't cover the #1 WR consistently last season. Many times they had Browner on the #1 WR with McCourty helping over the top.

When he did cover #1 WRs he didn't exactly shut them down. Thomas, Green, Wallace, Nelson, all put up numbers against him. If Revis really covered the other teams #1 WR as you lead people to believe why was Arrington covering Hilton?

Revis is a top 5 CB but he isn't close to the player he was in 2011 when there was all the Revis island talk. Fans need to stop basing play evaluation on the name on the back of the jersey. If Revis was shutting down #1 WRs Belichick would have picked up the option and leveraged it, he let him walk because he sees that with spread offenses and new pass defense rules there is no such thing as a shut down CB. In that type of NFL Sherman is a better CB because he creates more turnovers and acts as more of a physical enforcer.
 
You realize the reason we won last season was our offense right? We averaged 36 PPG in the postseason. We didn't need an elite defense.
Never lost a postseason game with a healthy Gronk exception of the 2010 rookie season
 
You realize the reason we won last season was our offense right? We averaged 36 PPG in the postseason. We didn't need an elite defense.

If you read my earlier post I said Brady was putting up 35-40pts ALL YEAR LONG not just playoffs last couple of yrs.. Where have you been last few years before Revis & Browner came here?! There like a thousand posts besides mine sayin how pathetic our DBs were. Fan in stands were gettin whiplash from lookin left to write on passes thrown on us for bombs and 20 - 30 yds at a clip. If you think we can still do all things on Def our DBs did last year without Revis, Browner lockin down best receiver & attitude with what we have now, you might wanna clean your homer glasses.
 
If you read my earlier post I said Brady was putting up 35-40pts ALL YEAR LONG not just playoffs last couple of yrs.. Where have you been last few years before Revis & browner came here?! There like a thousand posts besides mine sayin how pathetic our DBs were. Fan in stands were gettin whiplash from lookin left to write on passes thrown on us for bombs and 20 - 30 yd at a clip.

He was putting up 35-40 points against top defenses this past regular season too.

Our DBs weren't anything special prior to last year. But the offense laid a bunch of eggs when it mattered as well. I still laugh at people blaming the defense for losing the 2007 and 2011 SB. Yes, they gave up big plays late in the game, but the defense was the only reason we were even in those games. Can't expect to win the big one when you score an embarrassing 14 and 17 points.

But now that we have replaced the chokers on offense (mainly Welker and Mankins) with clutch performers, we've been able to see exactly how far the offense can take us.
 
I Hear Ya! I never doubt Brady & Offense, Never! But our DBs took a hit with Revis,Browner & Arrington's departure. Those are BIG shoes to fill. We'll see. BB will plug in some how. Our Def Line will be key also to take some pressure off our DBs but I'm cool with our Offense. Pats didn't even do camp yet I'm just sayin what we have now as DBs.
 
This team is way better in just about every area than the 2011 team. If that team reached the SB, I am confident this one can too. Not guaranteeing anything, but they will be contenders as they always are.
 
He was putting up 35-40 points against top defenses this past regular season too.

Our DBs weren't anything special prior to last year. But the offense laid a bunch of eggs when it mattered as well. I still laugh at people blaming the defense for losing the 2007 and 2011 SB. Yes, they gave up big plays late in the game, but the defense was the only reason we were even in those games. Can't expect to win the big one when you score an embarrassing 14 and 17 points.

But now that we have replaced the chokers on offense (mainly Welker and Mankins) with clutch performers, we've been able to see exactly how far the offense can take us.

2007 Super Bowl: Mankins had a torn ACL, Brady was playing on a ****ed up foot. Neal left the game with an injury, and the difference was pretty stark once he was gone.

2011: Gronk might as well not have played at all.

Not really excuse-making, just an acknowledgement of facts. Yes, injuries are part of the game. No, that doesn't mean that we have to pretend that a poorly-timed injury isn't a perfectly valid reason for a team performing way below its ceiling.

Also, style of play matters. No matter how you construct a team, it will be susceptible to being attacked in certain ways. For years, the Patriots were susceptible to defenses that could generate consistent interior pressure without blitzing. If it hadn't been that, it would've been something else. In 2011 and 2007, it just so happened that the team we played in the Super Bowl had strengths that matched up with those weaknesses.

Did the Patriots take longer than they should have to address that specific weakness? I think so, although I like the steps they've taken over the last two years quite a bit. Better late than never, and there's no way the Pats win SB49 without Stork in particular. And to be fair, they deserve some credit for addressing that weakness in 2011 by adding Waters. But in the end it didn't change anything, because by the time the Super Bowl came around the second most important player on the team was playing on one leg. Bummer.

But again, just to reiterate: in the salary cap era, every team is going to have weaknesses. Everyone is susceptible to something. The Patriots are far better than most about being aware of that and minimizing their weaknesses. They approach the draft and FA proactively, and a lot of the time succeed in fixing these would-be problems before they even become problems. But sometimes they can't, because the cost of doing so would just open up other problems elsewhere on the roster. Hence the current state of the DBs.

It sucks, but that is just a fundamental reality of the modern NFL. It's not like the Pats are going full Colts and just ignoring the huge, fatal flaw in their roster construction even when they have clear, simple, cheap ways to fix it.
 
I Hear Ya! I never doubt Brady & Offense, Never! But our DBs took a hit with Revis,Browner & Arrington's departure. Those are BIG shoes to fill. We'll see. BB will plug in some how. Our Def Line will be key also to take some pressure off our DBs but I'm cool with our Offense. Pats didn't even do camp yet I'm just sayin what we have now as DBs.

I don't think Arrington's shoes will be tough to fill. I think it's possible that we already have a better version of Arrington on the roster in Logan Ryan. Revis and Browner... not so much. Losing them is going to hurt, but for what it would've cost to keep them, I understand it.
 
I'm with you with Arrington although he did a pretty good job covering slot and there is upside to L.Ryan. I'm interested in seeing Butler this season. He definitely had his fair share of snaps in SB on Def and of course game changer was clutch. He didn't make that play by mistake.
 
I will take Edelman over Nelson anytime and twice on Sundays.
What more does the man have to do to prove he is a elite talent.
Skill wise he does different things then Nelson, but when the games on the line he is clutch tough as they come and finds a way to make a play when it looks impossible.
I can't say the same for Nelson he is a elite talent but he's not making those third down conversions with the same consistency that Minitron is.

I love me some Edelman, but Jordy Nelson is a far superior athlete than him, and A LOT larger.
 
The perfect position on the list for Sherman is 4.
 
2007 Super Bowl: Mankins had a torn ACL, Brady was playing on a ****ed up foot. Neal left the game with an injury, and the difference was pretty stark once he was gone.

2011: Gronk might as well not have played at all.

Not really excuse-making, just an acknowledgement of facts. Yes, injuries are part of the game. No, that doesn't mean that we have to pretend that a poorly-timed injury isn't a perfectly valid reason for a team performing way below its ceiling.

Also, style of play matters. No matter how you construct a team, it will be susceptible to being attacked in certain ways. For years, the Patriots were susceptible to defenses that could generate consistent interior pressure without blitzing. If it hadn't been that, it would've been something else. In 2011 and 2007, it just so happened that the team we played in the Super Bowl had strengths that matched up with those weaknesses.

Did the Patriots take longer than they should have to address that specific weakness? I think so, although I like the steps they've taken over the last two years quite a bit. Better late than never, and there's no way the Pats win SB49 without Stork in particular. And to be fair, they deserve some credit for addressing that weakness in 2011 by adding Waters. But in the end it didn't change anything, because by the time the Super Bowl came around the second most important player on the team was playing on one leg. Bummer.

But again, just to reiterate: in the salary cap era, every team is going to have weaknesses. Everyone is susceptible to something. The Patriots are far better than most about being aware of that and minimizing their weaknesses. They approach the draft and FA proactively, and a lot of the time succeed in fixing these would-be problems before they even become problems. But sometimes they can't, because the cost of doing so would just open up other problems elsewhere on the roster. Hence the current state of the DBs.

It sucks, but that is just a fundamental reality of the modern NFL. It's not like the Pats are going full Colts and just ignoring the huge, fatal flaw in their roster construction even when they have clear, simple, cheap ways to fix it.
Mankins suffered an ACL tear in the 2011 SB.

The biggest issue in 2007 was Brady's ankle injury.
 
Here's an honest hypothetical for the x's and o's guys: how would Sherman do on the pats and what kind of impact would he have on the defensive scheme? I know we all can easily hate on him because he plays one side of the field, but would he be ineffective here because of that? Just like Revis was a terrible fit in Tampa because of the cover 2?

I don't have an agenda on this, but honestly wonder if a talented player like him could be oil to belichick/patricia's water.
 
Sherman would fit fine wherever he went.
If they wanted, they could roll out similar coverage to what sea does, but more likely they'd just run the same coverage as last year, maybe depending who the 2nd corner was, i guess

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