Your Super Bowl Champion NE Patriots

DaBronxPats14 · Jul 1, 2015

Man! You guys get me goin with this stuff! Now I'm puttin on SB 49 Win AGAIN!

PatsFanInVa · Jul 1, 2015

1960Pats said:
I try not to watch MLB anymore but I grew up and live a short distance from Fenway. My dad, brother and I were season ticket holders when a box seat in line with 2nd and 1st cost $12.

They actually have had a world championship recently in baseball, and I think the Korean and Japanese teams won the last two.

As for Flutie, an argument could be made that he didn't get a real chance in the NFL. If he did he might have had a decent NFL career and maybe surpassed Warren Moon like he did in Canada.

Yeahhhhh but surpassing Warren Moon is not surpassing, oh, let's say Tom Brady/Joe Montana.

Even if a sport is played in other parts of the world, which football is not btw, the American champion is still only playing against other teams from America. That makes the World Champion claim a pretentious one.

They're world champions until someone takes 'em down. If the rest of the world would like to adopt the best game in the world, there would be more competition. That's a given. People play scrabble all over the world. They play chess all over the world. I just don't get all excited when I hear about the new chess champion. Also, Deep Blue isn't about to beat the Pats on the field, and Cletus the Football Robot isn't a real thing.

However, the world champions of Football - real football - are the New England Patriots.

Now, if you're not a football fan, well, I guess we just have to agree to disagree

ausbacker · Jul 1, 2015

nabwong said:
Why is it labelled "world champion" if this game is only played in America? London doesn't count.

FWIW, I think it's embarrassing to Americans that your nation refers to domestic league champions as world champions. Sure, you may possess four of the best leagues in the world but that doesn't make it a world championship. It makes your team a national champion and nothing more. Either way, the more winning from Boston teams the better.

PatsFanInVa · Jul 2, 2015

Field a football team and then make the argument. I think a CFL fan or an Aussie rules football team could perhaps make an argument that, well, we just never standardized the rules, and our teams would win on a level playing field. A delusional argument, but an argument none the less. Let's see the challenge. Heck I even suggested a CFL/NFL* exhibition game to address this very issue. Use NFL* rules and it would be a walk. The CFL has acted on multiple occasions for a dumping ground of NFL* washouts, or a stepping stone to an NFL* career.

Are Canadians better or worse at football? I would say the latter - and that nation has embraced the version of the game closest to real football. What does that say of the purported capabilities of the countries that are not even interested?

Of course, it gives you CTE, so I'm sure fans of multi-day cricket matches or endurance tests like soccer will be happy to keep yelling "Howzat!" and giving oscar-winning fake-injury performances, respectively, in those contests of tedious endurance instead.

On the other hand... ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

ausbacker · Jul 2, 2015

PatsFanInVa said:
Field a football team and then make the argument. I think a CFL fan or an Aussie rules football team could perhaps make an argument that, well, we just never standardized the rules, and our teams would win on a level playing field. A delusional argument, but an argument none the less. Let's see the challenge. Heck I even suggested a CFL/NFL* exhibition game to address this very issue. Use NFL* rules and it would be a walk. The CFL has acted on multiple occasions for a dumping ground of NFL* washouts, or a stepping stone to an NFL* career.

Are Canadians better or worse at football? I would say the latter - and that nation has embraced the version of the game closest to real football. What does that say of the purported capabilities of the countries that are not even interested?

Of course, it gives you CTE, so I'm sure fans of multi-day cricket matches or endurance tests like soccer will be happy to keep yelling "Howzat!" and giving oscar-winning fake-injury performances, respectively, in those contests of tedious endurance instead.

On the other hand... ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

The NFL entertains me like no other. It's still not a world championship.

SHOWTIME15 · Jul 2, 2015

ausbacker said:
The NFL entertains me like no other. It's still not a world championship.

that depends on your definition of "world." for us american, USA = world.

XLIX · Jul 2, 2015

ausbacker said:
The NFL entertains me like no other. It's still not a world championship.

Outside the NFL, who do you think could reasonably contest the Patriots for that title?

ausbacker · Jul 2, 2015

TommyBrady12 said:
that depends on your definition of "world." for us american, USA = world.

Believe me, some Aussies aren't aware there's a world outside our borders.

XLIX said:
Outside the NFL, who do you think could reasonably contest the Patriots for that title?

Nobody (much the same as the AFL here). We've got a bastardised game of Gaelic Football and Australian Rules Football with the Irish which is as close as it comes for both our codes. It's horrible to watch and pointless.

1960Pats · Jul 3, 2015

ausbacker said:
FWIW, I think it's embarrassing to Americans that your nation refers to domestic league champions as world champions. Sure, you may possess four of the best leagues in the world but that doesn't make it a world championship. It makes your team a national champion and nothing more. Either way, the more winning from Boston teams the better.

Exactly!

I don't understand why it bothers my fellow Americans and Pats fans when I voice that opinion.

- The Pats beat out 31 American teams for the SB. The fact that the rest of the world uses the term football to describe another game doesn't mean that we get to call ourselves World Champions. If another country wanted to play our version of football I'm sure they could put up decent teams after a while.
- The rest of the pro leagues here (MLB, NHL and NBA) all play only against teams that play in American cities even though those sports have leagues in other countries. That makes them even more pretentious than the NFLers when they make the WC claim.
- Not that I really care, but what do they call the winners of the MLS title? Not World Champions I hope.

1960Pats · Jul 3, 2015

XLIX said:
Outside the NFL, who do you think could reasonably contest the Patriots for that title?

I bet there are many countries that could field decent teams after a while. But, they don't care about American football as much as soccer so they don't even play. That doesn't make us World Champions.

PatsFanInVa · Jul 3, 2015

Something of an impasse.

I maintain that if you're the best team on the face of the Earth at a team sport, it's reasonable to call yourselves "World Champions."

I've got relatives in some of those 200-plus countries that don't understand the importance of real football. That does not change my opinion: namely, that said countries are not, in fact, secretively harboring real football teams that could beat YOUR World Champion New England Patriots.

Best football team on the planet.

Is that better?

PatsFanInVa · Jul 3, 2015

Let's try this another way.

Let's look back say 100 years. Could there be a best airplane in the world, even though there were no airplanes in Togo? (Or most countries)?

Could you have a World War I or a World War II, even if Bolivia sent no fighting forces? (I don't know this for a fact, but we could certainly dredge up the examples of countries which were not touched in either conflict). Are those inflated "titles"? I do know for a fact that Switzerland remained neutral.. so how were they "world wars"?

Can't we debate whether the world's best space program was in Russia or the U.S., even before other countries entered into it -- or even today, can we talk about the best launch platforms in the world, although the vast majority of nations on the Earth don't have any?

I'm not aware of much organized American cricketing. How is there a "World Cup" of cricket?

The counter-argument is that it is the confining of a sport to one country that makes the title of a "world championship" counterfeit.

However, when the sport we're referring to indeed draws from among the world's best athletes - including an enormous sports/training/pipeline "infrastructure" - I have my doubts that we should complain about the title. If we are looking at the relative abilities of nations to compete athletically, I suppose we could turn to medal counts in the Olympics. The U.S. does okay in those; it stands to reason that the disinterest of the benighted multitudes to the importance of real football is not the sole reason that the U.S. dominates.

I have no complaint about someone being a "World champion" of Aussie Rules football.

I think the clearer case is that we should call the MLB championship the MLB championship, instead of the "World Series," since teams outside the U.S. and Canada do not play in it.

Calhoun44 · Jul 3, 2015

Also, it definitely is a world championship because if players from other countries are good enough to play the game of football, they try to play in the NFL. Although it is only a few players that make it into the NFL from other countries, it still makes it an international sport. Just like the NBA, NHL and MLB. They are the best pro leagues and the winners are World Champions.

XLIX · Jul 3, 2015

1960Pats said:
I bet there are many countries that could field decent teams after a while. But, they don't care about American football as much as soccer so they don't even play. That doesn't make us World Champions.

I think being the best team in the world is what makes them world champions.

The fact that other countries "could field decent teams after a while" doesn't change the fact the in 2014, the New England Patriots were the best (American-rules) football team in the world.

ausbacker · Jul 3, 2015

PatsFanInVa said:
Let's try this another way.

Let's look back say 100 years. Could there be a best airplane in the world, even though there were no airplanes in Togo? (Or most countries)?

Could you have a World War I or a World War II, even if Bolivia sent no fighting forces? (I don't know this for a fact, but we could certainly dredge up the examples of countries which were not touched in either conflict). Are those inflated "titles"? I do know for a fact that Switzerland remained neutral.. so how were they "world wars"?

Can't we debate whether the world's best space program was in Russia or the U.S., even before other countries entered into it -- or even today, can we talk about the best launch platforms in the world, although the vast majority of nations on the Earth don't have any?

I'm not aware of much organized American cricketing. How is there a "World Cup" of cricket?

The counter-argument is that it is the confining of a sport to one country that makes the title of a "world championship" counterfeit.

However, when the sport we're referring to indeed draws from among the world's best athletes - including an enormous sports/training/pipeline "infrastructure" - I have my doubts that we should complain about the title. If we are looking at the relative abilities of nations to compete athletically, I suppose we could turn to medal counts in the Olympics. The U.S. does okay in those; it stands to reason that the disinterest of the benighted multitudes to the importance of real football is not the sole reason that the U.S. dominates.

I have no complaint about someone being a "World champion" of Aussie Rules football.

I think the clearer case is that we should call the MLB championship the MLB championship, instead of the "World Series," since teams outside the U.S. and Canada do not play in it.

You could easily have had a World Cup of Cricket one hundred years ago because former British colonies were all playing it. Australia, NZ, countries in the subcontinent, the West Indies and African nations all played the game. Futhermore, you'll never hear and Australian call Hawthorn (back to back Super Bowl winners [equivalent] and winners of 3 premierships since 2008] as world champions because they're not. They're AFL Premiers and that's it. It's the same with NRL, Super Rugby, NBL, WNBL, ANZ Championship and so on. You're a world champion when you win a world championship.

Have a think about this for a moment: World Champion LA Galaxy. No...

1960Pats · Jul 3, 2015

XLIX said:
I think being the best team in the world is what makes them world champions.

The fact that other countries "could field decent teams after a while" doesn't change the fact the in 2014, the New England Patriots were the best (American-rules) football team in the world.

Right. The NE Patriots are the best American rules football team because nobody else plays. I'm agreeing with that part.

Using your same logic, the winner of the Canadian Football League is also World Champion. That is the only league in the world playing Canadian rules football. And, I suppose those dozen or so people who started playing soccer/golf up in NH recently can now claim their winner is World Champion.

When teams from other countries are allowed to take part in the process, then and only then are the winning teams or individuals actual World Champions. The only thing we have that's close to that is the Olympics.

PatsFanInVa · Jul 3, 2015

Timeout. There's something called soccer/golf?

ausbacker · Jul 3, 2015

PatsFanInVa said:
Timeout. There's something called soccer/golf?

One thing we know is Tiger Woods would be trying it on with all the wags.

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