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These last 2 Vincent articles/statements is the perfect time for Goodell to resolve this situation by making Troy his fall guy. Funny thing is, it would be the first truthful thing Goodie has done that has shown an ounce of integrity.
 
These last 2 Vincent articles/statements is the perfect time for Goodell to resolve this situation by making Troy his fall guy. Funny thing is, it would be the first truthful thing Goodie has done that has shown an ounce of integrity.
I think I recall reading somewhere that Vincent lied a few years ago about having a bachelor's degree, and then had to scramble to get one from a for-profit college, so he could accept a position as NFLPA President.

Anyone else know about this?
 
I think I recall reading somewhere that Vincent lied a few years ago about having a bachelor's degree, and then had to scramble to get one from a for-profit college, so he could accept a position as NFLPA President.

Anyone else know about this?
Vincent went into the NFL before graduating from Wisconsin, but received a bachelor’s degree in 2007 from Thomas Edison State College, a distance-learning institution in his native Trenton, N.J.

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jo...A-Polarizing-Figure-In-Battle-For-NFLPA.aspx?
 
Okay, on ESPN.com, a commenter posted this:

Troy Vincent talking about integrity and morality when this is your record: 1) stole confidential financial info of 41 agents when he was NFLPA guy and sent info to his business partner, 2) Undermined Gene Upshaw as NFLPA head when Upshaw was his biggest supporter, engaging in secret correspondence with Goodell 3) NFLPA board decided he was unqualified to be Union president because of his lack of formal education and numerous personal business venture failures, 4) He created 7 businesses between 1998-2004 and all went bankrupt, 5) He owed $200,000 to a former investor that court forced him to pay back, 6) He tried to cover up a sexual assault at a tanning salon in NJ that he owned, 7) former business partner stole $150k from a former NFL player, 8) He lied on his resume with NFLPA about graduating from college (Wisconsin) then had to go back and get an online degree from Thomas Edison College in order to try and be NFLPA president. 8) Lied to Adrian Peterson about what his suspension would be in order to get him to attend a meeting with Goodell at NFL headquarters (Peterson taped the conversation, which helped overturn the suspension in federal court).

A lot of integrity and high moral standards there. Keep talking, Troy.
 

Re: the Troy Vincent interview..

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And seriously, how the F does Ashely Fox do this interview, then consider her self a journalist or whatever the f' she think she is.?

Reading her Q and A, those might have been the most ridiculous puff bull questions I have ever read. Steve Zissou would have been impressed those soft balls. Good F'n lawd.

ESPN I guess.

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Of all the shady, corrupt people working in the NFL office, Troy Vincent has to be the worst. Read the article below.. this is the person lecturing about integrity! This is the absolute height of hypocrisy. If there was any justice, Vincent should be sharing a cell next to Hernandez. Troy Vincent needs to be exposed. If someone could forward this to a media member like Jerry Thorton or Barstool sports, it would be great.

http://nypost.com/2009/02/10/out-of-bounds-2/

His statements on Deflategate on the suspension of McNally and Jastremski alone paint him as a liar

The league announces their findings and the penalties and the Patriots suspend McNally and Jastremski at, they later say, the behest of the League

Upon their suspension by the team Vincent issues a written statement that HE is the only one with the authority to reinstate them - effectively affirming the Patriots statement that Vincent required the suspensions

But once Vincent saw that the Haters were using the suspension as "proof" that the Patriots were effectively confirming that McNally and Jastremski were involved in cheating, he denied what he previously affirmed - stating that the NFL had NOT required McNally and Jastremski to be suspended

From the NFL's own website - in their own story about Troy Vincent's various punishments and rationale

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492190/article/nfl-releases-statement-on-patriots-violations

"Patriots owner Robert Kraft advised Commissioner Roger Goodell last week that Patriots employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th. Neither of these individuals may be reinstated without the prior approval of NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent. If they are reinstated by the Patriots, Jastremski is prohibited from having any role in the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs to be used in NFL games during the 2015 season. McNally is barred from serving as a locker room attendant for the game officials, or having any involvement with the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs or any other equipment on game day."
 
I've read tons of conflicting information. Was Troy Vincent indeed the one who levied the punishment against Brady? And is it true that by doing that he violated the CBA? Does anyone have the exact info on that? Or did Goodell do it and Troy was allowed to take the credit/blame? If Goodell did it does Troy violate the CBA by just claiming to punish Brady even if he himself didn't do it? And if Goodell did it doesn't that give Brady total grounds for a lawsuit about the lack of impartiality about his appeal?

argh I just don't understand what the hell is going on
 
I've read tons of conflicting information. Was Troy Vincent indeed the one who levied the punishment against Brady? And is it true that by doing that he violated the CBA? Does anyone have the exact info on that?
From what i read from hurley , he was according to goodell but then nflpa said he cant and only the commish can levy that kinda punishment after which goodell took full responsibility for it. I dont know how it works with him be an independent arbitrator.
 
I've read tons of conflicting information. Was Troy Vincent indeed the one who levied the punishment against Brady? And is it true that by doing that he violated the CBA? Does anyone have the exact info on that? Or did Goodell do it and Troy was allowed to take the credit/blame? If Goodell did it does Troy violate the CBA by just claiming to punish Brady even if he himself didn't do it? And if Goodell did it doesn't that give Brady total grounds for a lawsuit about the lack of impartiality about his appeal?

argh I just don't understand what the hell is going on

I really don't tend to follow these dramas, but i believe what happened was that in a previous -gate, maybe bountygate, goodell levied the penalty, but that somehow forced his recusal to hear the appeal, and it was overturned by tags.

So, this time, planning to lord over the appeal himself, he issued the penalty under vincent's name, but that immediately set off the cba alarm since he's supposed to levy these penalties.

So, now goodell is left trying to work this shell game of who levied the penalty.
Like that murder defense where 3 guys are at the scene but you can't prove who the triggerman is
 
Okay, on ESPN.com, a commenter posted this:

Troy Vincent talking about integrity and morality when this is your record: 1) stole confidential financial info of 41 agents when he was NFLPA guy and sent info to his business partner, 2) Undermined Gene Upshaw as NFLPA head when Upshaw was his biggest supporter, engaging in secret correspondence with Goodell 3) NFLPA board decided he was unqualified to be Union president because of his lack of formal education and numerous personal business venture failures, 4) He created 7 businesses between 1998-2004 and all went bankrupt, 5) He owed $200,000 to a former investor that court forced him to pay back, 6) He tried to cover up a sexual assault at a tanning salon in NJ that he owned, 7) former business partner stole $150k from a former NFL player, 8) He lied on his resume with NFLPA about graduating from college (Wisconsin) then had to go back and get an online degree from Thomas Edison College in order to try and be NFLPA president. 8) Lied to Adrian Peterson about what his suspension would be in order to get him to attend a meeting with Goodell at NFL headquarters (Peterson taped the conversation, which helped overturn the suspension in federal court).

A lot of integrity and high moral standards there. Keep talking, Troy.

Since it's ESPN, I'm going to guess this comment maxed out at 3 "likes."
 
Yeah, here it is

The four players and the NFL Players Association had requested Goodell’s recusal previously, asserting that he could not fairly render a decision as the original punisher.

“It is only a neutral (arbitrator) of unquestioned integrity who can restore public confidence in this process and mitigate the damage which the NFL’s handling of ‘BountyGate’ has inflicted upon the game,” the union said in a recent court filing.

So, this time around, anticipating an appeal, and planning on being the boss of it, he had vincent sign his name on the punishment.
This violates the cba, however, so he has to cough into his hand and mumble a name every time he's asked who levied the punishment
 
Folks, it's nice that this Hurley fellow ripped Vincent a new one (and btw, Hurley has been great throughout) however, the reality is Hurley is not read outside of the 617 area code.

The more important answer to Vincent's canned "interview" with Ashley Fox came just after 6pm from Mike "Our New Best Friend" Florio who, basically, is laughing at the amateurishness of Vincent's mistake in doing this :

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/30/nflpa-has-short-simple-response-to-troy-vincent/

"......Apart from the legal fees that justifiably arise when the union is required to fight the league after the league goes too far with discipline is the question of actual waste. And many of you have noted that true waste arose from the NFL making #DeflateGate into a much bigger deal than it should have been, with millions spent on an investigation aimed perhaps not at getting to the truth, but at justifying a knee-jerk result selected early in the process, when no one from the league office realized that the PSI numbers generated by New England’s footballs were both below the 12.5 minimum and also in line with the normal operation of the Ideal Gas Law.

As to the issue of NFLPA legal fees, the smarter (but not necessarily better) approach by the league may have been to cajole one or more members of the media into making the argument. Between the reporters on the league’s payroll and the reporters who have a track record of open disdain for current NFLPA leadership (or both), it shouldn’t have been hard to make the point without forcing a senior member of NFL leadership to connect his name to the remarks.

Some would say it’s admirable for Vincent to express his views directly. The only problem in this case is that his views are substantively incorrect and ultimately not helpful to building the kind of relationship needed to avoid unnecessary fighting."

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Folks, it's nice that this Hurley fellow ripped Vincent a new one (and btw, Hurley has been great throughout) however, the reality is Hurley is not read outside of the 617 area code.

The more important answer to Vincent's canned "interview" with Ashley Fox came just after 6pm from Mike "Our New Best Friend" Florio who, basically, is laughing at the amateurishness of Vincent's mistake in doing this :

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/30/nflpa-has-short-simple-response-to-troy-vincent/

"......Apart from the legal fees that justifiably arise when the union is required to fight the league after the league goes too far with discipline is the question of actual waste. And many of you have noted that true waste arose from the NFL making #DeflateGate into a much bigger deal than it should have been, with millions spent on an investigation aimed perhaps not at getting to the truth, but at justifying a knee-jerk result selected early in the process, when no one from the league office realized that the PSI numbers generated by New England’s footballs were both below the 12.5 minimum and also in line with the normal operation of the Ideal Gas Law.

As to the issue of NFLPA legal fees, the smarter (but not necessarily better) approach by the league may have been to cajole one or more members of the media into making the argument. Between the reporters on the league’s payroll and the reporters who have a track record of open disdain for current NFLPA leadership (or both), it shouldn’t have been hard to make the point without forcing a senior member of NFL leadership to connect his name to the remarks.

Some would say it’s admirable for Vincent to express his views directly. The only problem in this case is that his views are substantively incorrect and ultimately not helpful to building the kind of relationship needed to avoid unnecessary fighting."

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I guess what bothers me about off of this is to really grasp that people in power can and will do whatever they want.

I mean the billionaires that make up the owners of the NFL teams and front office basically said back in January that they have had enough of the New England Patriots being sooo successful so by that right they must be cheating.

The NFL front office then salivated over the idea and well here we are.
 
This entire thing is really amazingly embarrassing to not just the sport, but to the country, and adults everywhere.

Huh, I read it as, "This entire thing is really amazingly embarrassing to not just the sport, but to the country CLUB, and adults everywhere."
 
I guess what bothers me about off of this is to really grasp that people in power can and will do whatever they want.

I mean the billionaires that make up the owners of the NFL teams and front office basically said back in January that they have had enough of the New England Patriots being sooo successful so by that right they must be cheating.

The NFL front office then salivated over the idea and well here we are.
You. Got. Bingo.
 
I guess what bothers me about off of this is to really grasp that people in power can and will do whatever they want.

I mean the billionaires that make up the owners of the NFL teams and front office basically said back in January that they have had enough of the New England Patriots being sooo successful so by that right they must be cheating.

The NFL front office then salivated over the idea and well here we are.

Yep. And the NFL front office knows that 95% of football fans hate the Patriots, and going along with this plan of slapping the Patriots would vastly improve their public approval ratings.
 
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