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What the hell? I'm confused. It's a personal tool. Like an R/C plane or helicopter. It's over YOUR practice field. What the hell gives the FAA jurisdiction regarding a freaking drone over the practice field? And it's not commercial you a holes. Seriously what do you al think/know?

P.s I fly electric R/C from time to time. Insurance, open field and clear of obstacles I am good. What's the difference?

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pa...e-use-by-new-england-patriots-other-nfl-teams
 
FAA will let you use drones to take selfies or spy on your neighbor. But use it as a tool and look out! Government bureaucracy, gotta love it!
 
The same people who complain about a registration of a commercial activity will scream with outrage about government ineffectiveness when the first serious accident happens.

Of course it is commercial - it is being used by a business for business activity.

The FAA is simply registering these things so they can track the growth and guide us (through our elected representatives in Congress) to stay ahead of the curve and try to keep bad stuff from happening. And the Pats simply didn't know they should have registered. All normal for the introductory stage of a new, dynamic technology into a complex, crowded society.
 
Can a drone fly down to New Jersey and back from Foxboro?

Just wondering.
 
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Dronegate anyone? Guess Bill better kiss the 2017 1st-rounder goodbye. Only a story because the Patriots are involved. Crackhead Bob has already accepted the punishment.
 
I would argue, and hope that NFL does, that the use of a drone, by any team, within it's own property, doesn't need any license or registration. It's used exclusively "in-house" as it were, doesn't broadcast outside of it's op area, and the results of it's surveillance is used exclusively within the organization. After all, it's filming it's OWN team and players, etc.

This is, to my mind, no different than a farmer and/or his kids driving unregistered vehicles on his own property. Perfectly legal, you don't have to have tags on the vehicles or licenses for the drives, as long as it remains OFF of public lands and roads. Heck, that's how I learned to drive a pick up when I was only 12 years old.

Anyway, that's my 2-cent's worth on the issue.
 
I would argue, and hope that NFL does, that the use of a drone, by any team, within it's own property, doesn't need any license or registration. It's used exclusively "in-house" as it were, doesn't broadcast outside of it's op area, and the results of it's surveillance is used exclusively within the organization. After all, it's filming it's OWN team and players, etc.

This is, to my mind, no different than a farmer and/or his kids driving unregistered vehicles on his own property. Perfectly legal, you don't have to have tags on the vehicles or licenses for the drives, as long as it remains OFF of public lands and roads. Heck, that's how I learned to drive a pick up when I was only 12 years old.

Anyway, that's my 2-cent's worth on the issue.

Generally I'd agree with you, although in this case the air space issue adds a layer of complexity. What's public vs. private when the issue is about visibility, not physical location? The issue is worthy of a civil discourse.

The FAA may simply need to know it is there so that when a question comes up about a drone in that area, they can check to see if that's it. No harm in the community knowing what's up in the sky, so that when something up in the sky raises questions and concerns, answers are easier to find.

That's my 2-cent addition to your thoughts.
 
Generally I'd agree with you, although in this case the air space issue adds a layer of complexity. What's public vs. private when the issue is about visibility, not physical location? The issue is worthy of a civil discourse.

The FAA may simply need to know it is there so that when a question comes up about a drone in that area, they can check to see if that's it. No harm in the community knowing what's up in the sky, so that when something up in the sky raises questions and concerns, answers are easier to find.

That's my 2-cent addition to your thoughts.
Also, improperly operated drones are a safety problem. Just saw a forest fire airdrop was canceled because a drone interfered. Plus, as a private pilot I'm concerned about anyone operating a flying machine that might kill me if they're ignorant or careless about safety. So, yeah, the FAA really should know.
 
Also, improperly operated drones are a safety problem. Just saw a forest fire airdrop was canceled because a drone interfered. Plus, as a private pilot I'm concerned about anyone operating a flying machine that might kill me if they're ignorant or careless about safety. So, yeah, the FAA really should know.

FAA doesn't need to stick it's nose in it, in this instance at least. The problem they raised isn't about usage. It's about "commercial usage" which is junk. What's the average altitude of a drone? 200ft? I know of model airplanes that fly as high. In the case off the Patriots usage, it's just another case of the FAA trying to exert some control over an uncontrollable situation.

I can see where a license is needed the more advanced drones get such as being able to fly 50 miles outside of visual range. You can't claim VFR in that scenario either. So the rules will be needing scrutiny, even possibly transponders so they show up on TCAS or the like.
 
I know a person that uses one of those model drones to film some YouTube Videos. He was attending a Tampa Bay Bucaneers football game and asked if he could take some aerial footage of the stadium with his drone. He was told that he could film from the parking lot area but regulations said he couldn't fly directly over the stadium.
 
I know a person that uses one of those model drones to film some YouTube Videos. He was attending a Tampa Bay Bucaneers football game and asked if he could take some aerial footage of the stadium with his drone. He was told that he could film from the parking lot area but regulations said he couldn't fly directly over the stadium.

Wouln't want it falling into the field of play or the crowd. I can understand that.
 
What the hell? I'm confused. It's a personal tool. Like an R/C plane or helicopter. It's over YOUR practice field. What the hell gives the FAA jurisdiction regarding a freaking drone over the practice field? And it's not commercial you a holes. Seriously what do you al think/know?

P.s I fly electric R/C from time to time. Insurance, open field and clear of obstacles I am good. What's the difference?

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pa...e-use-by-new-england-patriots-other-nfl-teams

I fly RC's with hidden cameras over many gov't buildings myself....but don't tell anyone! :D And I'm hoping to get a drone so I can check out the neighbor at her pool soon!
 
This is the infancy of this type of technology being used so I can see trying to get out front of it and get a handle on it but I agree that as long as it is being used in a very limited capacity then registration and regulations should be minimal. If however you want to use it to bomb your annoying neighbor regulations may have to be a little more defined. Personally speaking I plan on using mine to make caregiver deliveries, it will save so much time and hassle. God bless technology, I can get rid of the neighbors and drop off some nug all with the same device.
 
I think people are jumping on the "big bad government" bandwagon because that's what people do but think about it a bit.

First, as others have expressed, the FAA is trying to understand this new technology. Sorry, but if there's potential of something falling out of the sky, I want the government to lay down some rules. Imagine if commercial/private airspace (airline) were a free-for-all... yeah, that would be fun..lol

No one wants the government to restrict progress but I don't think Amazon drones buzzing by my car at 30 feet off the ground are a great idea either. Don't expect common sense to dictate responsible behavior, it never does.

Regulated airspace is strictly controlled for good reason but it also has a floor of 700 feet. With drones, we could be talking about regulating below 700 feet now (class G airspace) because I imagine that many drones could be flying in that space (potentially). There are also concerns for regulated airspace such as the fact that drones don't carry any kind of identification and can't be tracked by air traffic control by radar. Imagine if airspace below 700 ft starts to fill up with local business drones, the potential for collisions increases and without identifying information, knowing who else is flying in the area is impossible outside of visual identification.

It's really a complex problem the FAA faces when you scale this up from a few people playing around to a potential daily use by businesses and yes, they need to be involved and thinking they don't need to give this some thought, is irresponsible.

Now, that being said, I'm sure the FAA is asking the teams what they were doing because there are some things that they can legally do without a permit.
http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/for-business-users/

If they were filming practice for their own personal use and under that 200 foot personal used ceiling (for instance), I believe that they can do that legally. Commercial use is not automatic because an organization decides to put one up in the air. The bottom line is that if they do not plan on providing "services", I don't believe it falls under commercial use but that's something for the team lawyers and the FAA to discuss.
 
Dronegate anyone? Guess Bill better kiss the 2017 1st-rounder goodbye. Only a story because the Patriots are involved. Crackhead Bob has already accepted the punishment.

And a confused LaDainian Tomlinson will be on tv saying that The Patriots were caught using drones to film other teams' practices
 
belichick drives everyone nuts.
i ****ing love it
 
I think people are jumping on the "big bad government" bandwagon because that's what people do but think about it a bit.

First, as others have expressed, the FAA is trying to understand this new technology. Sorry, but if there's potential of something falling out of the sky, I want the government to lay down some rules. Imagine if commercial/private airspace (airline) were a free-for-all... yeah, that would be fun..lol

No one wants the government to restrict progress but I don't think Amazon drones buzzing by my car at 30 feet off the ground are a great idea either. Don't expect common sense to dictate responsible behavior, it never does.

Regulated airspace is strictly controlled for good reason but it also has a floor of 700 feet. With drones, we could be talking about regulating below 700 feet now (class G airspace) because I imagine that many drones could be flying in that space (potentially). There are also concerns for regulated airspace such as the fact that drones don't carry any kind of identification and can't be tracked by air traffic control by radar. Imagine if airspace below 700 ft starts to fill up with local business drones, the potential for collisions increases and without identifying information, knowing who else is flying in the area is impossible outside of visual identification.

It's really a complex problem the FAA faces when you scale this up from a few people playing around to a potential daily use by businesses and yes, they need to be involved and thinking they don't need to give this some thought, is irresponsible.

Now, that being said, I'm sure the FAA is asking the teams what they were doing because there are some things that they can legally do without a permit.
http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/for-business-users/

If they were filming practice for their own personal use and under that 200 foot personal used ceiling (for instance), I believe that they can do that legally. Commercial use is not automatic because an organization decides to put one up in the air. The bottom line is that if they do not plan on providing "services", I don't believe it falls under commercial use but that's something for the team lawyers and the FAA to discuss.
Last I knew companies couldn't use them to survey their land, so I imagine this falls into the same category. As long as it's tethered I believe it's legal.
 
I just think the Patriots should be the 32th team to use that technology, after the other 31.

After deflategate I expect them to be extremely careful and record everything that can be used against them in the future, instead, they go pioneer on the usage of drones to "spy" their own training from a different view. I know it's not a big deal but that's not how the NFL Mafia thinks, they will be watching us under a microscope to find any irregularity so don't give them a chance.
 
FAA will let you use drones to take selfies or spy on your neighbor. But use it as a tool and look out! Government bureaucracy, gotta love it!
Great rhetoric, but totally made up.
 
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